[4animals] KFC Demo Update

K pekieca at yahoo.com
Tue Apr 18 20:34:46 UTC 2006 

Kyle, very eloquent.  Well done, agree completely.  
   
   ....it wasn't long ago we were boycotting South Africa....and remember the Solidarity movement in Poland in the 80s - both Nelson Mandela and Lech Wa³êsa both succeeded in their struggles and went on to lead their respective countries....
   
  if you are not outraged, you are not paying attention.
   
  Katherine

Kyle den Bak <edenbak at hotmail.com> wrote:
  When I spoke of people becoming more "anti-hunt" this year, I was 
basing my perception on the number of people I have encountered that 
now seem to know about the hunt and deplore it. Last year, it seemed 
that no one knew about it. Since I do not tend to take in much 
mainstream media, I really have no idea what the official "buzz" is. 
However, I guess this is just one more example of why I do not trust 
mainstream media. I'm sure the Ottawa Citizen is just reflecting its 
own biases rather than holding up mirror to people's actual feelings. 
Almost everyone I have spoken to, while perhaps a little misinformed 
(likely due to mainstream propaganda), seems to be sympathetic once 
they learn the nature of the hunt. I would hesitate to trust anything 
the Ottawa Citizen has to say regarding the way people feel. News media 
should be descriptive rather than prescriptive. Yet I feel the Citizen 
is telling people how they "should" feel rather than reporting how we 
do feel. I think this is almost all the more reason to get out there 
and let people know what is actually going on.

Even if it is true that people are fed up with protesters, this is 
okay. Resistance is a normal step in the process of acceptance. In 
fact, its once step further than ignorance. When ignorant, people are 
docile because they do not perceive they ways in which their ordinary 
lives contribute to something they cannot fundamentally agree with. 
When people do learn that there is something wrong with the way they 
live, they resist because they fear change, and they don't want to 
think they are doing anything wrong. Cognitive dissidence is normal, 
but it is a sign that we as activists have started to make a 
difference. If we have jumped the hurdle of ignorance that is all the 
more reason stick to our guns and bear out the stage of resistance. I 
know vegetarians and vegans, including myself, that went through stages 
of hostility and resistance. It is normal for the human mind to invent 
any reason to justify one's current state of living or complicity. No 
one wants to think that they play a part in promoting, or allowing 
cruelty. Peter Singer wrote, "It is easy for us to criticize the 
prejudices of our grandfathers, from which our fathers freed 
themselves. It is more difficult to distance ourselves from our own 
views so that we can dispassionately search for the prejudices among 
the beliefs and values we hold."

While I somewhat support the idea of representing the number five for 
its immediate utility, I resent that the only arguments that seem to 
make sense to people are economic. I will note here that Atlantic slave 
trade was supported on economic grounds, but never in a million years 
could an economic argument truly justify a moral decision. It is a sad 
day when all decisions must be filtered through economic lenses. I know 
this is how society works, and that economic arguments are the main 
support of the seal hunt - yet I cannot help but feel dirty employing 
the same logic. I don't think we can make lasting change until people 
realize that there is more to life than making money through whatever 
means possible. Suppose someone were to find a more profitable way to 
conduct the seal slaughter so that perhaps 20% of the income of 
fishermen could be supplemented by this practice? Would we then be 
forced to concede that the hunt is okay? As people who care about the 
actual well being of animals regardless of their benefit to human 
desires, our answer must be NO.

If the closest comparison to societies use for animals is, in fact, 
slavery, then I will point out that the abolition movement started in 
Britain, even as Britain dominated the slave trade economically. In 
fact, Britain's move to abolish the slave trade was, proportionately 
the most costly humanitarian endeavor in recorded history. If the 
abolitionists were to have based their arguments on economic grounds, 
there would have been no justification to abolish the trade. I, 
therefore, suggest if we are going to focus on economic arguments, we 
do it in such a way that shows the inadequacy of economic arguments in 
decisions of morality. It needs to be shown that the hunt is wrong 
regardless of the economic utility that is currently used to justify 
our widespread use and abuse of both human and nonhuman animals.

Sorry for the lengthy post,
Kyle


On 18-Apr-06, at 12:39 AM, vaalea wrote:

>
> Forwarding a message from Victoria....
> Hi-
> The Red Lobster protest from last year was organized by an individual 
> who I have lost contact with so no-I do not have any signs but I 
> understand Harpseals.org is more than happy to send out materials to 
> any volunteer organizer. I'm really glad to see other people taking 
> initiatives here and maybe even co-ordinate a Red Lobster protest. My 
> only concerns which may not be real concerns...just my perception 
> maybe...is that people are FED up with hearing about seal hunt 
> protesters...I was surprised to hear the comment about people becoming 
> more anti-hunt this year. I guess these weren't the people reading the 
> Ottawa Citizen with each report/editorial containing misleading lies 
> and ridiculing of protesters. Did others catch that disgusting comment 
> by Jan Arden at the Junos about her brassiere being made of seal 
> eyelid?..to which  the entire Halifax audience cheered loudly (oddly 
> enough Halifax residents had previously just voted more opposed to the 
> hunt than in favour of in their local newspaper) Also, in case anyone 
> hasn't heard- the Canadian coast guard recently arrested a team of 
> HSUS observers and confiscated their tapes. Plus the govt just 
> announced a new 'initiative' of some sort to encourage aboriginals to 
> become involved...to further promote the misconception about 
> aboriginals and the hunt. If there's any good stuff I don't know 
> please feel free to let me in! In the mean time, I think that the only 
> way a RL protest could work is if maybe we somehow try to incorporate 
> the idea of the 'Number 5'!  or in other words....the fact that the 
> seal hunt represents no more than 5% of a sealers income. I am sooooo 
> extremely sick of hearing government and media lies that the hunt is 
> the sealers entire livelihood and that their families would all die 
> etc. if  they didn't kill seals. I really feel this is the number 
> one lie related to the seal hunt that is keeping people 
> pro-hunt.. Maybe we could have some girls and guys wearing 'number 5s' 
> and not too much else?....Also I feel we must get some media to make 
> it worthwhile and so some very attention grabbing props would have to 
> come in. Lastly, I'll mention that the action last year was 
> regrettably not very successful because we were not able to acess any 
> customers without walking off the sidewalk on St. Laurent right onto 
> the property of RL. So the leafletting lasted all but 10 minutes and 
> after that our only audience was cars quickly driving by (please note 
> that the closest sidewalk by the Merivale Red Lobster is even farther 
> from the restaurant) Anyways, I would personally advise a MEDIA event 
> with media oriented props....unfortunately what sells as far as media 
> interest in protests is, in a nutshell- scantilly clad people, 
> confrontation, extremism, arrests...sad but true as I've learned from 
> 3.5 years from doing media events!  Occasionally we've been lucky and 
> a smaller paper has picked up a lighter themed protest. Anyways, 
> that's my two cents..I was also serious about the dancing number 5s! 
> Offbeat can work the media too..
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>> Karen at animalalliance.ca
>> Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 2:21 PM
>> Subject: Re: [4animals] KFC Demo Update
>>
>> Maybe we could/should consider a red lobster protest in light of the 
>> seal hunt (early May?)... and have a KFC protest a month later? 
>> Perhaps Kyle's "back to back" idea.
>> OAA did a red lobster protest another year I think (or was it 
>> officially organized by another group??.... Victoria if we did a 
>> seafood/sealhunt/red lobster protest, do you have materials for that? 
>> signs from last time?) there is more information on the Red Lobster 
>> protest/boycott here: 
>> http://www.harpseals.org/boycott/redlobdemolist.html
>>  
>> hmm..... I also just  found this info for this year??... 
>> http://72.14.207.104/search?q=cache:PpaCNU03Y8sJ:www.hsus.org/ 
>> marine_mammals/protect_seals/why_a_boycott_of_canadian_seafood/ 
>> red_lobster_day_of_action_schedule.html+red+lobster+ottawa&hl=en&gl=ca 
>> &ct=clnk&cd=6
>> Ottawa
>> Time: 12 noon-2 p.m.
>> Location: Red Lobster, 1499 St. Laurent Blvd.
>> Sponsored by the Animal Alliance of Canada
>> Contact Karen Levenson at Karen at animalalliance.ca or 519-821-6163 or 
>> 519-766-3610
>>  
>> I'm ccing Karen Levenson in this email so maybe she can tell us more.
>>  
>> - any emails, can you make sure to include the 4animals at ottawaveg.com 
>> mailing list (hit "reply all")? because there are a bunch of people 
>> on there who I'm sure would like to be kept up-to-date on potential 
>> future events/actions/protests.
>> (http://lists.ottawaveg.com/mailman/listinfo/4animals)
>> thanks!
>>  
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>>> Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 5:01 PM
>>> Subject: [4animals] KFC Demo Update
>>>
>>> Hey everyone,
>>>  
>>> I regret to inform you all once again that I must re-schedule the 
>>> demo for personal reasons. I just lost my job today so I'm going to 
>>> be extremely busy with finding a new one as well as being busy with 
>>> the new apartment and cats, etc etc. I know it must be frustrating 
>>> to have it being re-scheduled a bunch of times but it's out of my 
>>> hands. I will start thinking about a new date so if anyone has any 
>>> suggestions or comments on anything please feel free to contact me.
>>>  
>>> Also another thing. As a part time extra cash maker I will be doing 
>>> pet sitting/dog walking in Ottawa and possibly surrounding areas. 
>>> Please contact me for any info. Thanks
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