From v_good at rogers.com Wed Feb 1 17:58:31 2006 From: v_good at rogers.com (v_good at rogers.com) Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 12:58:31 -0500 Subject: [4animals] Shoppers fur issue/demo Message-ID: <004c01c62759$1ec9c4b0$da5f8b48@Victoria> DOES ANYONE KNOW OR CAN ANYONE FIND OUT IF THE SHOPPERS DRUG MART AT THE RIDEAU CENTRE OR AT THE SHOPPERS BY L'ESPLANADE LAURIER ON BANK IS SELLING THESE FUR SCARVES/GLOVES and what not?? As it happens there was supposed to be an event on Feb 10th or 11th with Ottawa representing National Anti-Fur Day. Due to illness I was not able to co-ordinate this event and the person who was supposed to has bailed out on the National co-ordinator in T.O. I am now desperately trying to find a replacement co-ordinator for a simple event but for this forum I am also wondering >>>>>> If anyone could come out for a noon demo on either the fri or the Sat (please let me know which or either if you can) This is the perfect opportunity to expose Shoppers Drug Mart as possibly entice the media with a headline like " Drugstore sells cat/dog fur?" Apparently there is some info related to the Asian fur trade on the HSUS site in their wildlife section and Peta has lots of stuff too of course. Anyways, I am not really looking for opinions here with the short notice but rather to see if we could tentatively get at least a few people out. The location would be outside Shoppers Drug Mart on Rideau Street of Shoppers near L'Esplanade Laurier. Even if neither of these locations has the fur or it gets removed the other locations will I'm sure still have it and then there's still the whole issue of 'bunny' fur in general in the malls- Jacob etc. Thanks alot, Victoria -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ottawaveg.com/pipermail/4animals/attachments/20060201/9caefa04/attachment.html From mbarrett at connect.carleton.ca Thu Feb 2 03:36:07 2006 From: mbarrett at connect.carleton.ca (Meredith Barrett) Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2006 22:36:07 -0500 (EST) Subject: [4animals] Shoppers fur issue/demo Message-ID: <2986176.1138851367381.JavaMail.mbarrett@connect.carleton.ca> Hi Victoria I am co founder of the Opirg Animal Rights Working Group at Carleton University and would like to help you organize this demonstration. Some of the other members might be interested too. let me know! meredith v_good at rogers.com wrote: > DOES ANYONE KNOW OR CAN ANYONE FIND OUT IF THE SHOPPERS DRUG MART AT THE RIDEAU CENTRE OR AT THE SHOPPERS BY L'ESPLANADE LAURIER ON BANK IS SELLING THESE FUR SCARVES/GLOVES and what not?? > > As it happens there was supposed to be an event on Feb 10th or 11th with Ottawa representing National Anti-Fur Day. Due to illness I was not able to co-ordinate this event and the person who was supposed to has bailed out on the National co-ordinator in T.O. I am now desperately trying to find a replacement co-ordinator for a simple event but for this forum I am also wondering > >>>>>> > If anyone could come out for a noon demo on either the fri or the Sat (please let me know which or either if you can) This is the perfect opportunity to expose Shoppers Drug Mart as possibly entice the media with a headline like " Drugstore sells cat/dog fur?" > Apparently there is some info related to the Asian fur trade on the HSUS site in their wildlife section and Peta has lots of stuff too of course. Anyways, I am not really looking for opinions here with the short notice > but rather to see if we could tentatively get at least a few people out. The location would be outside Shoppers Drug Mart on Rideau Street of Shoppers near L'Esplanade Laurier. Even if neither of these locations has the fur or it gets removed the other locations will I'm sure still have it and then there's still the whole issue of 'bunny' fur in general in the malls- Jacob etc. > Thanks alot, > Victoria > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ -------- > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ >4animals mailing list >4animals at ottawaveg.com >http://lists.ottawaveg.com/mailman/listinfo/4animals > From pekieca at yahoo.com Thu Feb 2 15:12:21 2006 From: pekieca at yahoo.com (K) Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 10:12:21 -0500 (EST) Subject: [4animals] Rabbit fur scarves from China being sold at Shopper's Drug Mart In-Reply-To: <20060130153112.96357.qmail@web52708.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060202151221.14377.qmail@web52710.mail.yahoo.com> I received a reply from Shoppers as follows (very non-committal:) Thank you for contacting us. Customer feedback is always welcomed and appreciated. Your comments and concerns are very important to us and have been forwarded to our Marketing Department for future consideration. Please do not hesitate to contact the Customer Service Call Centre at 1-800-SHOPPERs should you have any further questions or comments or require immediate assistance. Regards, Anna Shoppers Drug Mart Customer Service K wrote: Here is Shoppers email address: http://www.formdesk.com/shoppersdrugmart/contact_us In addition to PETA, here is a ref to a Canadian animal group which recently had successful campaigns against BEDO and Jacob. May wish to include a reference to them as well in any letters. Lots of facts re the fur trade on their site. http://www.gan.ca/campaigns/fur+trade/bedo+goes+fur+free.en.html --------------------------------- Find your next car at Yahoo! Canada Autos_______________________________________________ 4animals mailing list 4animals at ottawaveg.com http://lists.ottawaveg.com/mailman/listinfo/4animals --------------------------------- Find your next car at Yahoo! Canada Autos -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ottawaveg.com/pipermail/4animals/attachments/20060202/25562662/attachment.html From pekieca at yahoo.com Thu Feb 2 15:18:41 2006 From: pekieca at yahoo.com (K) Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 10:18:41 -0500 (EST) Subject: [4animals] Shoppers fur issue/demo In-Reply-To: <2986176.1138851367381.JavaMail.mbarrett@connect.carleton.ca> Message-ID: <20060202151841.16578.qmail@web52710.mail.yahoo.com> Good to know that, Meredith. Is Shoppers the best possible target? Notwithstanding that some of their stores sell fur scarves, overall, the quantity is small compared to stores like Dworkins. Meredith Barrett wrote: Hi Victoria I am co founder of the Opirg Animal Rights Working Group at Carleton University and would like to help you organize this demonstration. Some of the other members might be interested too. let me know! meredith v_good at rogers.com wrote: > DOES ANYONE KNOW OR CAN ANYONE FIND OUT IF THE SHOPPERS DRUG MART AT THE RIDEAU CENTRE OR AT THE SHOPPERS BY L'ESPLANADE LAURIER ON BANK IS SELLING THESE FUR SCARVES/GLOVES and what not?? > > As it happens there was supposed to be an event on Feb 10th or 11th with Ottawa representing National Anti-Fur Day. Due to illness I was not able to co-ordinate this event and the person who was supposed to has bailed out on the National co-ordinator in T.O. I am now desperately trying to find a replacement co-ordinator for a simple event but for this forum I am also wondering > >>>>>> > If anyone could come out for a noon demo on either the fri or the Sat (please let me know which or either if you can) This is the perfect opportunity to expose Shoppers Drug Mart as possibly entice the media with a headline like " Drugstore sells cat/dog fur?" > Apparently there is some info related to the Asian fur trade on the HSUS site in their wildlife section and Peta has lots of stuff too of course. Anyways, I am not really looking for opinions here with the short notice > but rather to see if we could tentatively get at least a few people out. The location would be outside Shoppers Drug Mart on Rideau Street of Shoppers near L'Esplanade Laurier. Even if neither of these locations has the fur or it gets removed the other locations will I'm sure still have it and then there's still the whole issue of 'bunny' fur in general in the malls- Jacob etc. > Thanks alot, > Victoria > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ -------- > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ >4animals mailing list >4animals at ottawaveg.com >http://lists.ottawaveg.com/mailman/listinfo/4animals > _______________________________________________ 4animals mailing list 4animals at ottawaveg.com http://lists.ottawaveg.com/mailman/listinfo/4animals --------------------------------- Find your next car at Yahoo! Canada Autos -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ottawaveg.com/pipermail/4animals/attachments/20060202/7f140f72/attachment.html From pekieca at yahoo.com Thu Feb 2 15:31:21 2006 From: pekieca at yahoo.com (K) Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 10:31:21 -0500 (EST) Subject: [4animals] Shoppers fur issue/demo In-Reply-To: <004c01c62759$1ec9c4b0$da5f8b48@Victoria> Message-ID: <20060202153121.42602.qmail@web52706.mail.yahoo.com> You could always phone them and ask. v_good at rogers.com wrote: DOES ANYONE KNOW OR CAN ANYONE FIND OUT IF THE SHOPPERS DRUG MART AT THE RIDEAU CENTRE OR AT THE SHOPPERS BY L'ESPLANADE LAURIER ON BANK IS SELLING THESE FUR SCARVES/GLOVES and what not?? As it happens there was supposed to be an event on Feb 10th or 11th with Ottawa representing National Anti-Fur Day. Due to illness I was not able to co-ordinate this event and the person who was supposed to has bailed out on the National co-ordinator in T.O. I am now desperately trying to find a replacement co-ordinator for a simple event but for this forum I am also wondering >>>>>> If anyone could come out for a noon demo on either the fri or the Sat (please let me know which or either if you can) This is the perfect opportunity to expose Shoppers Drug Mart as possibly entice the media with a headline like " Drugstore sells cat/dog fur?" Apparently there is some info related to the Asian fur trade on the HSUS site in their wildlife section and Peta has lots of stuff too of course. Anyways, I am not really looking for opinions here with the short notice but rather to see if we could tentatively get at least a few people out. The location would be outside Shoppers Drug Mart on Rideau Street of Shoppers near L'Esplanade Laurier. Even if neither of these locations has the fur or it gets removed the other locations will I'm sure still have it and then there's still the whole issue of 'bunny' fur in general in the malls- Jacob etc. Thanks alot, Victoria --------------------------------- _______________________________________________ 4animals mailing list 4animals at ottawaveg.com http://lists.ottawaveg.com/mailman/listinfo/4animals __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ottawaveg.com/pipermail/4animals/attachments/20060202/daa2fce7/attachment.html From pekieca at yahoo.com Thu Feb 2 20:18:22 2006 From: pekieca at yahoo.com (K) Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 15:18:22 -0500 (EST) Subject: [4animals] Tristan & America - items of fur sold in stores In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060202201822.31486.qmail@web52702.mail.yahoo.com> Hi everyone, I wrote Tristan & America re its sale of fur trimmed items. They replied the same day, reply below. I encourage everyone to please take the time to drop them a quick line. Thanks, K Good afternoon, Thank you for taking the time to write to us about your disappointment at the fact that our stores carried fur items in the Fall of 2005. We fully understand your concern. You can rest assured that we will not repeat the experience. We are looking forward to your next visit to Tristan & America. Sincerely, Nicole McCarry Tristan & America L'Officiel West Coast 20, rue Des Seigneurs Montr?al (Qu?bec) H3K 3K3 T?l.: 514.937.4601 Fax: 514.935-1233 nicole.mccarry at tristan-america.com www.tristan-america.com --------------------------------- Find your next car at Yahoo! Canada Autos -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ottawaveg.com/pipermail/4animals/attachments/20060202/108764b7/attachment.html From pekieca at yahoo.com Thu Feb 2 20:19:11 2006 From: pekieca at yahoo.com (K) Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 15:19:11 -0500 (EST) Subject: [4animals] Dog & Cat Fur Story on ABC News Message-ID: <20060202201911.91122.qmail@web52713.mail.yahoo.com> http://abcnews.go.com/International/story?id=1533368 Coverage from a major network, at last. --------------------------------- Find your next car at Yahoo! Canada Autos -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ottawaveg.com/pipermail/4animals/attachments/20060202/3fa1307e/attachment.html From pekieca at yahoo.com Fri Feb 3 15:49:46 2006 From: pekieca at yahoo.com (K) Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 10:49:46 -0500 (EST) Subject: [4animals] Shoppers fur issue/demo In-Reply-To: <004c01c62759$1ec9c4b0$da5f8b48@Victoria> Message-ID: <20060203154946.79964.qmail@web52706.mail.yahoo.com> i would be more inclined to target, at the very least, an offender that offered fur trimmed garments as one of its mainstays. shoppers sells primarily toiletries, and i don't believe anyone seeking clothing items and accessories would consider shoppers as a primary source. it is unfortunate about the scarves, but i agree with the tactics of another list user, who spoke to the pharmacist and then sent a letter to shoppers. she advises the pharmacist was receptive. so that is a route to go with that store. i also wrote shoppers and received a reply, and provided its email in an earlier message. furthermore, i would not advocate the use of signs that allege that shoppers use cat and dog fur. the group risks ruining any credibility it may have if signs are used making such allegations, and then it turns out, that in fact, it is rabbit fur. v_good at rogers.com wrote: DOES ANYONE KNOW OR CAN ANYONE FIND OUT IF THE SHOPPERS DRUG MART AT THE RIDEAU CENTRE OR AT THE SHOPPERS BY L'ESPLANADE LAURIER ON BANK IS SELLING THESE FUR SCARVES/GLOVES and what not?? As it happens there was supposed to be an event on Feb 10th or 11th with Ottawa representing National Anti-Fur Day. Due to illness I was not able to co-ordinate this event and the person who was supposed to has bailed out on the National co-ordinator in T.O. I am now desperately trying to find a replacement co-ordinator for a simple event but for this forum I am also wondering >>>>>> If anyone could come out for a noon demo on either the fri or the Sat (please let me know which or either if you can) This is the perfect opportunity to expose Shoppers Drug Mart as possibly entice the media with a headline like " Drugstore sells cat/dog fur?" Apparently there is some info related to the Asian fur trade on the HSUS site in their wildlife section and Peta has lots of stuff too of course. Anyways, I am not really looking for opinions here with the short notice but rather to see if we could tentatively get at least a few people out. The location would be outside Shoppers Drug Mart on Rideau Street of Shoppers near L'Esplanade Laurier. Even if neither of these locations has the fur or it gets removed the other locations will I'm sure still have it and then there's still the whole issue of 'bunny' fur in general in the malls- Jacob etc. Thanks alot, Victoria --------------------------------- _______________________________________________ 4animals mailing list 4animals at ottawaveg.com http://lists.ottawaveg.com/mailman/listinfo/4animals --------------------------------- Find your next car at Yahoo! Canada Autos -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ottawaveg.com/pipermail/4animals/attachments/20060203/092230f7/attachment.html From v at vaalea.com Fri Feb 3 19:16:41 2006 From: v at vaalea.com (vaalea) Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 14:16:41 -0500 Subject: [4animals] Shoppers fur issue/demo References: <20060203154946.79964.qmail@web52706.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <004701c628f6$5d6e66a0$6400a8c0@v> I really liked the last protest.... can you duplicate it Victoria?... Whatever the bunny girls were wearing was nice, cause it was dressy than I expected... less "costumey"... and I think the Peta bunny signs are great.... but I also like the raccoon ones we've had in the past. Also... do you have pictures from the last protest? Did anything make the news? We could always have signs warning people that dog and cat fur from china are mislabeled in stores.. in general. like "Are you wearing CAT FUR? Please be aware China blah blah..." ----- Original Message ----- From: K To: For animal welfare/rights information and events. Cc: ottawa.animal.advocates at rogers.com Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 10:49 AM Subject: Re: [4animals] Shoppers fur issue/demo i would be more inclined to target, at the very least, an offender that offered fur trimmed garments as one of its mainstays. shoppers sells primarily toiletries, and i don't believe anyone seeking clothing items and accessories would consider shoppers as a primary source. it is unfortunate about the scarves, but i agree with the tactics of another list user, who spoke to the pharmacist and then sent a letter to shoppers. she advises the pharmacist was receptive. so that is a route to go with that store. i also wrote shoppers and received a reply, and provided its email in an earlier message. furthermore, i would not advocate the use of signs that allege that shoppers use cat and dog fur. the group risks ruining any credibility it may have if signs are used making such allegations, and then it turns out, that in fact, it is rabbit fur. v_good at rogers.com wrote: DOES ANYONE KNOW OR CAN ANYONE FIND OUT IF THE SHOPPERS DRUG MART AT THE RIDEAU CENTRE OR AT THE SHOPPERS BY L'ESPLANADE LAURIER ON BANK IS SELLING THESE FUR SCARVES/GLOVES and what not?? As it happens there was supposed to be an event on Feb 10th or 11th with Ottawa representing National Anti-Fur Day. Due to illness I was not able to co-ordinate this event and the person who was supposed to has bailed out on the National co-ordinator in T.O. I am now desperately trying to find a replacement co-ordinator for a simple event but for this forum I am also wondering >>>>>> If anyone could come out for a noon demo on either the fri or the Sat (please let me know which or either if you can) This is the perfect opportunity to expose Shoppers Drug Mart as possibly entice the media with a headline like " Drugstore sells cat/dog fur?" Apparently there is some info related to the Asian fur trade on the HSUS site in their wildlife section and Peta has lots of stuff too of course. Anyways, I am not really looking for opinions here with the short notice but rather to see if we could tentatively get at least a few people out. The location would be outside Shoppers Drug Mart on Rideau Street of Shoppers near L'Esplanade Laurier. Even if neither of these locations has the fur or it gets removed the other locations will I'm sure still have it and then there's still the whole issue of 'bunny' fur in general in the malls- Jacob etc. Thanks alot, Victoria ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ 4animals mailing list 4animals at ottawaveg.com http://lists.ottawaveg.com/mailman/listinfo/4animals ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Find your next car at Yahoo! Canada Autos ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ 4animals mailing list 4animals at ottawaveg.com http://lists.ottawaveg.com/mailman/listinfo/4animals -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ottawaveg.com/pipermail/4animals/attachments/20060203/e71a225f/attachment.html From v at vaalea.com Fri Feb 3 19:16:41 2006 From: v at vaalea.com (vaalea) Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 14:16:41 -0500 Subject: [4animals] Shoppers fur issue/demo References: <20060203154946.79964.qmail@web52706.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <004701c628f6$5d6e66a0$6400a8c0@v> I really liked the last protest.... can you duplicate it Victoria?... Whatever the bunny girls were wearing was nice, cause it was dressy than I expected... less "costumey"... and I think the Peta bunny signs are great.... but I also like the raccoon ones we've had in the past. Also... do you have pictures from the last protest? Did anything make the news? We could always have signs warning people that dog and cat fur from china are mislabeled in stores.. in general. like "Are you wearing CAT FUR? Please be aware China blah blah..." ----- Original Message ----- From: K To: For animal welfare/rights information and events. Cc: ottawa.animal.advocates at rogers.com Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 10:49 AM Subject: Re: [4animals] Shoppers fur issue/demo i would be more inclined to target, at the very least, an offender that offered fur trimmed garments as one of its mainstays. shoppers sells primarily toiletries, and i don't believe anyone seeking clothing items and accessories would consider shoppers as a primary source. it is unfortunate about the scarves, but i agree with the tactics of another list user, who spoke to the pharmacist and then sent a letter to shoppers. she advises the pharmacist was receptive. so that is a route to go with that store. i also wrote shoppers and received a reply, and provided its email in an earlier message. furthermore, i would not advocate the use of signs that allege that shoppers use cat and dog fur. the group risks ruining any credibility it may have if signs are used making such allegations, and then it turns out, that in fact, it is rabbit fur. v_good at rogers.com wrote: DOES ANYONE KNOW OR CAN ANYONE FIND OUT IF THE SHOPPERS DRUG MART AT THE RIDEAU CENTRE OR AT THE SHOPPERS BY L'ESPLANADE LAURIER ON BANK IS SELLING THESE FUR SCARVES/GLOVES and what not?? As it happens there was supposed to be an event on Feb 10th or 11th with Ottawa representing National Anti-Fur Day. Due to illness I was not able to co-ordinate this event and the person who was supposed to has bailed out on the National co-ordinator in T.O. I am now desperately trying to find a replacement co-ordinator for a simple event but for this forum I am also wondering >>>>>> If anyone could come out for a noon demo on either the fri or the Sat (please let me know which or either if you can) This is the perfect opportunity to expose Shoppers Drug Mart as possibly entice the media with a headline like " Drugstore sells cat/dog fur?" Apparently there is some info related to the Asian fur trade on the HSUS site in their wildlife section and Peta has lots of stuff too of course. Anyways, I am not really looking for opinions here with the short notice but rather to see if we could tentatively get at least a few people out. The location would be outside Shoppers Drug Mart on Rideau Street of Shoppers near L'Esplanade Laurier. Even if neither of these locations has the fur or it gets removed the other locations will I'm sure still have it and then there's still the whole issue of 'bunny' fur in general in the malls- Jacob etc. Thanks alot, Victoria ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ 4animals mailing list 4animals at ottawaveg.com http://lists.ottawaveg.com/mailman/listinfo/4animals ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Find your next car at Yahoo! Canada Autos ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ 4animals mailing list 4animals at ottawaveg.com http://lists.ottawaveg.com/mailman/listinfo/4animals -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ottawaveg.com/pipermail/4animals/attachments/20060203/e71a225f/attachment-0001.html From mbarrett at connect.carleton.ca Fri Feb 3 21:18:02 2006 From: mbarrett at connect.carleton.ca (Meredith Barrett) Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 16:18:02 -0500 (EST) Subject: [4animals] Shoppers fur issue/demo volunteers? Message-ID: <1583472.1139001482631.JavaMail.mbarrett@connect.carleton.ca> would anyone be interested in helping me organize something for national anti fur day in february? victoria i will still help you if you'd like. let me know! i'd be also working with people from the animal rights group at carleton university. meredith From v_good at rogers.com Sat Feb 4 23:00:35 2006 From: v_good at rogers.com (v_good at rogers.com) Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 18:00:35 -0500 Subject: [Bulk] [4animals] Shoppers fur issue/demo volunteers? References: <1583472.1139001482631.JavaMail.mbarrett@connect.carleton.ca> Message-ID: <005f01c629de$cf94c5b0$da5f8b48@Victoria> Hi Meredith, thanks for your interest. I sent you an e-mail... Did you receive it? If not please send your complete address to ottawa.animal.advocates at rogers.com I have found a co-odinator and will be releasing details about the event asap (most likely to take place next Sat) Thanks for the input K. The co-ordinator is quite experienced, politically correct and knowleadgeable also. We won't be targeting any store in particular. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Meredith Barrett" To: "For animal welfare/rights information and events." <4animals at ottawaveg.com> Cc: "For animal welfare/rights information and events." <4animals at ottawaveg.com> Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 4:18 PM Subject: [Bulk] [4animals] Shoppers fur issue/demo volunteers? > would anyone be interested in helping me organize something for > national anti fur day in february? victoria i will still help you if > you'd like. > let me know! i'd be also working with people from the animal rights > group at carleton university. > meredith > _______________________________________________ > 4animals mailing list > 4animals at ottawaveg.com > http://lists.ottawaveg.com/mailman/listinfo/4animals -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From pekieca at yahoo.com Mon Feb 6 16:26:17 2006 From: pekieca at yahoo.com (K) Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 11:26:17 -0500 (EST) Subject: [4animals] No ice for the seals.....?? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060206162618.51016.qmail@web52708.mail.yahoo.com> Bad for the seals right now, but possibly a safe haven? Here's the news item... http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20060131/seals_birth_060131/20060131?hub=SciTech Seals move to Nova Scotia islands to give birth Updated Tue. Jan. 31 2006 11:31 PM ET CTV.ca News The warm winter weather has forced thousands of grey seals onto the shores of Pictou Island, N.S. to give birth. Normally the seals would be out on ice floes in the middle of the Northumberland Strait, but the warm weather had resulted in a lack of ice. "There is practically no ice cover at all in the Gulf of St. Lawrence, which is unusual," Leroy MacEachern, of the Department of Fisheries and Oceans, said. "That is even different than last year when we had seals come ashore on the coastline of Nova Scotia." The normal human population of the island in wintertime is 18, but the total population has exploded with the arrival of the seals. "It (the population) has grown by several thousand in the last few days to at least two thousand, possibly three," island resident Jane MacDonald joked. Seals may look cute and cuddly, but the DFO -- which says it is illegal to harass seals -- is warning the public to leave the wild animals alone. The agency says seals may attack if they are cornered or threatened. The female seals will abandon their pups after three weeks. But the pups will stay either onshore or close to shore for another two to three weeks, at which time they'll shed their white coats for grey, mottled ones. Some local fishermen believe that the large seal population needs to be culled. "They're getting out of hand," Ron MacDonald, a local fisherman, said. "There are a lot more seals every year than there have been over the last 20 years. The population is increasing and there doesn't seem to be much of a cull to keep them under control." Some of the Pictou Island residents, however, feel protective of the seals. "Whether it's instinctive or whether or not it was just the way the wind was blowing, it seems that they somehow feel safer here," Jane MacDonald said, as a baby seal nuzzled some seaweed laying on the sand. The isolation of the island is a safe place for the seals as the only way to get there is by charter plane. --------------------------------- Find your next car at Yahoo! Canada Autos -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ottawaveg.com/pipermail/4animals/attachments/20060206/9169ed66/attachment.html From v at vaalea.com Tue Feb 7 00:28:12 2006 From: v at vaalea.com (vaalea) Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 19:28:12 -0500 Subject: [4animals] Fw: National Anti- Fur Day event next Saturday; Animals need your suppport Message-ID: <00fa01c62b7d$665ff970$6400a8c0@v> Victoria asked me to forward this. (I've shrunk the pictures) ----- Original Message ----- From: ottawa animal advocates To: undisclosed recipient Cc: ottawa animal advocates Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2006 4:28 PM Subject: National Anti- Fur Day event next Saturday; Animals need your suppport Hi everyone, TERRIFIC NEWS: Montreal's Global Action Network (GAN) has been sucessful at persuading ALL 200 Jacob stores across Canada and 18 Bedo (mainly Quebec I believe) stores to remove ALL animal fur from their clothing lines. This is a TREMENDOUS success after also seeing Suzy Shier, Smart Set and Reitmans also going fur-free this season!! For info on the Bedo and Jacob campaigns click on these links: http://www.gan.ca/campaigns/fur+trade/jacob+goes+fur+free.en.html http://www.gan.ca/campaigns/fur+trade/bedo+goes+fur+free.en.html NATIONAL ANTI-FUR DAY The co-ordinator of GAN in Montreal has asked us to join them in support of a new campaign against TRISTAN & INUIT which still carries alot of rabbit(dog/cat?) fur and I am currently trying to see if we can use Tristan as our focal point for National Anti-fur Day. The event will place: This coming SATURDAY February 11th, 12noon, Lower Rideau Street entrance to the Rideau Centre by Shopper's Drug Mart (same place as the last demo in December) I really apologize for the short notice but due to illness I was unable to commit for this action and the replacement co-ordinator has bailed out (for lack of a better word!) on the National co-ordinator at the last minute. Luckily I have found another experienced co-ordinator for the event. Hopefully we can incorporate the TRISTAN campaign into the DEMO or better yet make it the main focus. Apart from protesting this particular store, we would also of course be protesting the cruelty and/or deception of North American and International fur 'manufacturing' and on the possibility that fur from animals other than rabbits eg. cats and dogs, may be unsuspectingly entering Canada from foreign markets and falsely labelled as it is difficult without DNA testing the ascertain the type of animals used for the fur. We are certain of course that there is a thriving Asian market for cat and dog fur as relevealed by PETA, the HSUS and other sources as cat/dog fur has officially been found in European markets. If you're not working I hope you can spare the hour for the animals and come out. If you can come could you PLEASE let me know in advance though? Although I am not co-ordinating I have agreed to help LUG signs from my car to the Rideau Centre (even though I am not well) and I don't want to bring 15 signs if only a few people come out (which I hope is not the case) so it would be REALLY HELPFUL for me to let me know if you can come out for the animals (rabbits, cats and dogs...) being cruelly raised and slaughtered for their fur. ***************************************************************************************************** I have attached some photos (hope they don't come through super huge) of the last fur protest (sorry for not posting earlier). We won't have any elaborate props this time as there is little time or money for them but TRISTAN and the other issues should speak for themselves. We will have the OAA leaflets aswell as GAN leaflets, bunny ears to wear, and signs on hand. As always we hope the media will both show up AND run or print something about the event. I hope you can make it out. 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Name: OAA1.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 31449 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.ottawaveg.com/pipermail/4animals/attachments/20060206/2c6dd40c/attachment-0006.jpg From pekieca at yahoo.com Tue Feb 7 15:40:09 2006 From: pekieca at yahoo.com (K) Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 10:40:09 -0500 (EST) Subject: [4animals] International Day of Protest re Chinese Fur, Monday, Feb 13 In-Reply-To: <00fa01c62b7d$665ff970$6400a8c0@v> Message-ID: <20060207154009.76727.qmail@web52705.mail.yahoo.com> It seems there are also several groups planning to target China itself: The international day of protest is targeting chinese embassies. Check site for your local contact for Toronto demo: http://fur.arforum.org/?lang=en The fur industry is one of the world's cruelest, and China is the source of most of the world's fur products. In the absence of any legislation or government control, animals in the Chinese fur industry are subject to the most extreme forms of abuse. Investigations of fur farms in China have exposed shocking methods of trapping, transportation, confinement and killing. The species being used include not only typical sources of fur such as rabbits, foxes, minks and raccoons, but also domestic dogs and cats, whose furs are often being deliberately mislabeled and exported as fur from other species. More than 40 million animals are killed each year for their fur. For more information on the Chinese fur industry please refer to the these websites: furkills.org - The True Price of Fur furisdead.com - A Look Inside Chinese Fur Farms furisdead.com - China's Dog and Cat Fur Trade petatv.com - Video. Warning: highly disturbing images In protest of China's reluctance to act against the horrific treatment of animals in its fur industry, an international day of protest will take place on Monday, 13 February 2006 in front of Chinese embassies and consulates worldwide. Organizations and individuals from all over the world are invited to join this initiative. Please pass on the call, join an existing vigil, or organize one in your area or country. Wearing black is recommended. --------------------------------- Find your next car at Yahoo! Canada Autos --------------------------------- Find your next car at Yahoo! Canada Autos -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ottawaveg.com/pipermail/4animals/attachments/20060207/ac4ff44a/attachment.html From pekieca at yahoo.com Tue Feb 7 15:35:51 2006 From: pekieca at yahoo.com (K) Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 10:35:51 -0500 (EST) Subject: [4animals] Fw: National Anti- Fur Day event next Saturday; Animals need your suppport In-Reply-To: <00fa01c62b7d$665ff970$6400a8c0@v> Message-ID: <20060207153551.67085.qmail@web52711.mail.yahoo.com> Hi everyone, I wrote Tristan & AMERICA last week re its sale of fur trimmed items at the request of GAN. They replied the same day, reply below. I encourage everyone to please take the time to drop them a quick line. Thanks, K Good afternoon, Thank you for taking the time to write to us about your disappointment at the fact that our stores carried fur items in the Fall of 2005. We fully understand your concern. You can rest assured that we will not repeat the experience. We are looking forward to your next visit to Tristan & America. Sincerely, Nicole McCarry Tristan & America L'Officiel West Coast 20, rue Des Seigneurs Montr?al (Qu?bec) H3K 3K3 T?l.: 514.937.4601 Fax: 514.935-1233 nicole.mccarry at tristan-america.com www.tristan-america.com vaalea wrote: Victoria asked me to forward this. (I've shrunk the pictures) ----- Original Message ----- From: ottawa animal advocates To: undisclosed recipient Cc: ottawa animal advocates Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2006 4:28 PM Subject: National Anti- Fur Day event next Saturday; Animals need your suppport Hi everyone, TERRIFIC NEWS: Montreal's Global Action Network (GAN) has been sucessful at persuading ALL 200 Jacob stores across Canada and 18 Bedo (mainly Quebec I believe) stores to remove ALL animal fur from their clothing lines. This is a TREMENDOUS success after also seeing Suzy Shier, Smart Set and Reitmans also going fur-free this season!! For info on the Bedo and Jacob campaigns click on these links: http://www.gan.ca/campaigns/fur+trade/jacob+goes+fur+free.en.html http://www.gan.ca/campaigns/fur+trade/bedo+goes+fur+free.en.html NATIONAL ANTI-FUR DAY The co-ordinator of GAN in Montreal has asked us to join them in support of a new campaign against TRISTAN & INUIT which still carries alot of rabbit(dog/cat?) fur and I am currently trying to see if we can use Tristan as our focal point for National Anti-fur Day. The event will place: This coming SATURDAY February 11th, 12noon, Lower Rideau Street entrance to the Rideau Centre by Shopper's Drug Mart (same place as the last demo in December) I really apologize for the short notice but due to illness I was unable to commit for this action and the replacement co-ordinator has bailed out (for lack of a better word!) on the National co-ordinator at the last minute. Luckily I have found another experienced co-ordinator for the event. Hopefully we can incorporate the TRISTAN campaign into the DEMO or better yet make it the main focus. Apart from protesting this particular store, we would also of course be protesting the cruelty and/or deception of North American and International fur 'manufacturing' and on the possibility that fur from animals other than rabbits eg. cats and dogs, may be unsuspectingly entering Canada from foreign markets and falsely labelled as it is difficult without DNA testing the ascertain the type of animals used for the fur. We are certain of course that there is a thriving Asian market for cat and dog fur as relevealed by PETA, the HSUS and other sources as cat/dog fur has officially been found in European markets. If you're not working I hope you can spare the hour for the animals and come out. If you can come could you PLEASE let me know in advance though? Although I am not co-ordinating I have agreed to help LUG signs from my car to the Rideau Centre (even though I am not well) and I don't want to bring 15 signs if only a few people come out (which I hope is not the case) so it would be REALLY HELPFUL for me to let me know if you can come out for the animals (rabbits, cats and dogs...) being cruelly raised and slaughtered for their fur. ***************************************************************************************************** I have attached some photos (hope they don't come through super huge) of the last fur protest (sorry for not posting earlier). We won't have any elaborate props this time as there is little time or money for them but TRISTAN and the other issues should speak for themselves. We will have the OAA leaflets aswell as GAN leaflets, bunny ears to wear, and signs on hand. As always we hope the media will both show up AND run or print something about the event. I hope you can make it out. Actions speak louder than words! Sincerely, Victoria _______________________________________________ 4animals mailing list 4animals at ottawaveg.com http://lists.ottawaveg.com/mailman/listinfo/4animals --------------------------------- Find your next car at Yahoo! Canada Autos -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ottawaveg.com/pipermail/4animals/attachments/20060207/6a74e4e6/attachment.html From pekieca at yahoo.com Tue Feb 7 17:35:34 2006 From: pekieca at yahoo.com (K) Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 12:35:34 -0500 (EST) Subject: [4animals] ice melting...seals dying.. In-Reply-To: <20060206162618.51016.qmail@web52708.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060207173535.97050.qmail@web52704.mail.yahoo.com> this is so sad.... 1,500 seal pups die in tidal surge OTTAWA - Around 1,500 seal pups were swept out to sea and drowned by a tidal surge off Canada?s east coast this week after a lack of ice cover meant their mothers were forced to give birth on a small island, environment officials said Friday. A resident on the island described how the mother seals had frantically tried to push their tiny pups back on to land as they floundered in the storm-tossed water. MORE: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11127975/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Over 200 pepple have signed on already. -----Original Message----- From: 4animals-bounces at ottawaveg.com [mailto:4animals-bounces at ottawaveg.com]On Behalf Of v_good at rogers.com Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 3:20 PM To: 4animals at ottawaveg.com Subject: [4animals] Tristan & America RE: This Saturday's anti-fur demo, the store to protest is 'Tristan & America' not 'Tristan & Inuit". Please note that TRISTAN materials will be provided by GAN (Global Action Network) in Montreal. We don't have many confirmations so far :( so hope some more people will come out! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ottawaveg.com/pipermail/4animals/attachments/20060207/582f5206/attachment.html From vc_biohazard at hotmail.com Wed Feb 8 21:57:08 2006 From: vc_biohazard at hotmail.com (Val C) Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2006 21:57:08 +0000 Subject: [4animals] Tristan & America In-Reply-To: <002201c62c23$ea5a45e0$da5f8b48@Victoria> Message-ID: You are aware that this store is not planning on putting fur back on its shelves next year right? >From: >Reply-To: "For animal welfare/rights information and >events."<4animals at ottawaveg.com> >To: <4animals at ottawaveg.com> >Subject: [4animals] Tristan & America >Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 15:20:18 -0500 > >RE: This Saturday's anti-fur demo, the store to protest is 'Tristan & >America' not 'Tristan & Inuit". >Please note that TRISTAN materials will be provided by GAN (Global Action >Network) in Montreal. >We don't have many confirmations so far :( so hope some more people will >come out! > > > > >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >_______________________________________________ >4animals mailing list >4animals at ottawaveg.com >http://lists.ottawaveg.com/mailman/listinfo/4animals From v_good at rogers.com Thu Feb 9 01:20:32 2006 From: v_good at rogers.com (v_good at rogers.com) Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 20:20:32 -0500 Subject: [4animals] TRISTAN & AMERICA 'claims'.... Message-ID: <001601c62d17$05b6c680$da5f8b48@Victoria> Just to clarify as a few people have enquired....this store HAS been claiming that they won't carry fur next year, however, GAN- a respectable and very experienced AR group in Montreal says that they are 'beating around the bush' by not agreeing to a written commitment as Jacob, Suzy Shier etc. did. T & America are apparently not taking GAN seriously and so the reason for the protest...As it goes with media, apart from naked women, targeting a particular store is also one of the few things considered of (possibly) enough interest to get media attention and so another reason to use this store as a focal point. Eidelweiss- I submitted my signature!! Hope to see some of you out on Sat. I fully trust GAN with their intentions and credibility... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ottawaveg.com/pipermail/4animals/attachments/20060208/6237e712/attachment.html From mbarrett at connect.carleton.ca Thu Feb 9 15:34:01 2006 From: mbarrett at connect.carleton.ca (Meredith Barrett) Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2006 10:34:01 -0500 (EST) Subject: [4animals] link and stuff Message-ID: <7555909.1139499241878.JavaMail.mbarrett@connect.carleton.ca> hey all ok one more time! can everyone take moment to support harsher penalties for animal abusers in canada? http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/699331695 also, are there any fur protests against chinese embassies going on in ottawa? i see the link is for toronto. also, i will be there on saturday with 3 or 4 people/ meredith From v at vaalea.com Thu Feb 9 16:15:46 2006 From: v at vaalea.com (vaalea) Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 11:15:46 -0500 Subject: [4animals] link and stuff References: <7555909.1139499241878.JavaMail.mbarrett@connect.carleton.ca> Message-ID: <00b501c62d94$19b65fb0$6400a8c0@v> I like the chinese embassy idea because it focuses on the source of the dog/cat hair, and the topic focus is one the public would be even more sympathetic to... only the chinese embassy is out of the way, and unless it is covered by media, people aren't going to see it.... and it's important for not only the chinese embassy to know we are protesting, but also to create public awareness through the protest.... so that would all have to be taken into consideration. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Meredith Barrett" To: <4animals at ottawaveg.com> Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 10:34 AM Subject: [4animals] link and stuff > hey all > > ok one more time! can everyone take moment to support harsher penalties > for animal abusers in canada? > http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/699331695 > > also, are there any fur protests against chinese embassies going on in > ottawa? i see the link is for toronto. > > also, i will be there on saturday with 3 or 4 people/ > meredith > _______________________________________________ > 4animals mailing list > 4animals at ottawaveg.com > http://lists.ottawaveg.com/mailman/listinfo/4animals > From pekieca at yahoo.com Thu Feb 9 16:18:53 2006 From: pekieca at yahoo.com (K) Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 11:18:53 -0500 (EST) Subject: [4animals] link and stuff In-Reply-To: <00b501c62d94$19b65fb0$6400a8c0@v> Message-ID: <20060209161853.93273.qmail@web52709.mail.yahoo.com> what about giong to the HIll? vaalea wrote: I like the chinese embassy idea because it focuses on the source of the dog/cat hair, and the topic focus is one the public would be even more sympathetic to... only the chinese embassy is out of the way, and unless it is covered by media, people aren't going to see it.... and it's important for not only the chinese embassy to know we are protesting, but also to create public awareness through the protest.... so that would all have to be taken into consideration. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Meredith Barrett" To: <4animals at ottawaveg.com> Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 10:34 AM Subject: [4animals] link and stuff > hey all > > ok one more time! can everyone take moment to support harsher penalties > for animal abusers in canada? > http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/699331695 > > also, are there any fur protests against chinese embassies going on in > ottawa? i see the link is for toronto. > > also, i will be there on saturday with 3 or 4 people/ > meredith > _______________________________________________ > 4animals mailing list > 4animals at ottawaveg.com > http://lists.ottawaveg.com/mailman/listinfo/4animals > _______________________________________________ 4animals mailing list 4animals at ottawaveg.com http://lists.ottawaveg.com/mailman/listinfo/4animals --------------------------------- Find your next car at Yahoo! Canada Autos -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ottawaveg.com/pipermail/4animals/attachments/20060209/1ee01c61/attachment.html From mbarrett at connect.carleton.ca Thu Feb 9 17:54:51 2006 From: mbarrett at connect.carleton.ca (Meredith Barrett) Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2006 12:54:51 -0500 (EST) Subject: [4animals] clarity Message-ID: <1590747.1139507691287.JavaMail.mbarrett@connect.carleton.ca> hey guys ok i'm confused, are we meeting in front of rideau centre? whereabouts exactly and are we after a store only or the fur trade in general? meredith From v_good at rogers.com Thu Feb 9 22:27:36 2006 From: v_good at rogers.com (v_good at rogers.com) Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 17:27:36 -0500 Subject: [4animals] protest updates Message-ID: <008b01c62dc8$07987960$da5f8b48@Victoria> Please count me in for participation if anyone wants to organize a protest in front of the Chinese embassy. I just can't organize this on top of the TRISTAN one right now but I can provide lots of signs and leaflets...and post it to OAA on Sat PM. I just don't want to overwhelm people with announcing 2 protests over 2 days. I am also willling to do a press release MOST DEFINATELY if the Tristan one does not get any coverage. If anyone wants to declare themselves an organizer...I advise that they also be prepared to speak to media. I am also able to prep someone who feel capable and confident speaking to media of many 'talking points' related to this issue. Just let me know if you want to take it on... Personally I don't know what effect a few people standing outside the embassy with no media would do. The following is an update on the Tristan protest. I apologize for any possible confusion based on past postings to 4animals. The original co-ordinator bailed out at the last minute and then GAN asked up to jump on board the Tristan campaign only a few days later.. which I thought was a good idea because focusing on a particular store (which sells ALOT of fur) is often more appealing to media than generic protests targeting multiple stores- this is to my knowledge at least. FROM LAST OAA MEMO>>> Just a quick reminder of the TRISTAN AND AMERICA Fur Protest: >>>THIS SATURDAY FEBRUARY 11th, >>>FROM NOON TO 1PM >>> ON THE PUBLIC SIDEWALK OUTSIDE THE LOWER RIDEAU ST. ENTRANCE TO THE RIDEAU CENTRE NEAR SHOPPERS DRUG MART. UPDATES: Please note that this protest has now become an official protest against the store "Tristan and America' and that the campaign is being headed up by Global Action Network (GAN) in Montreal. We will therefore be using GAN materials along with a few of the other generic anti-fur/anti-fur trim signs. Simultaneous protests against Tristan and America will be talking place in Montreal and Vancouver and I was told that Toronto and likely other cities will be joining the campaign soon. For anyone who might have called this store and been told that 'the store is planning on removing fur next fall' I have been assured by the head co-ordinator that there has been much 'beating around the bush' and no formal commitments have made by the company and this store sells ALOT of rabbit (cat/dog fur?). PLEASE CONSIDER BUNDLING UP! Anything is better than rain/freezing rain, but the forecast does call for cold and a windchill so please consider wearing warm clothing to support the animals. If anyone wants to do a coffee/hot chocolate run to Tim Hortons (right inside the entrance) during the protest I don't see why this would be a problem. We have been allowed to set our materials down on the sidewalk each time in the past and we have obtained a permit for this event. We'll have some masking tape and a marker handy to label cups if anyone is interested. ***Of course I think it would be advisable to sip the beverages discreetly as we're obviously not out there to party. I guess that's all. Laurie (and hopefully myself) look forward to seeing you on Saturday! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ottawaveg.com/pipermail/4animals/attachments/20060209/c9c77998/attachment.html From geoffreytomkins at yahoo.ca Fri Feb 10 12:20:50 2006 From: geoffreytomkins at yahoo.ca (Geoff Tomkins) Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 07:20:50 -0500 (EST) Subject: [4animals] link and stuff In-Reply-To: <20060209161853.93273.qmail@web52709.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060210122050.54081.qmail@web32713.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi, I've been looking, with interest in regards to some of the posts in the Dog and Cat Fur thread... I'm not really up on it at the moment, but would like to be. Unfortunately, most of the msg's from the group end up in my spam box, so I don't always get to read up on everything. :0( Could someone give me a detailed description of "Exactly" what has happened, and happening? Just the factual stuff. I'm in London, England... maybe there is something I can do from this end? ... but need good factual solid evidence... This behaviour, if true, is "Totally" unacceptable in a Civilized Society... There are people I can write and talk to here in the UK for more coverage if need be. Geoff, --------------------------------- Find your next car at Yahoo! Canada Autos -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ottawaveg.com/pipermail/4animals/attachments/20060210/df3fae89/attachment.html From v_good at rogers.com Sun Feb 12 00:34:54 2006 From: v_good at rogers.com (v_good at rogers.com) Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 19:34:54 -0500 Subject: [4animals] embassy protest? Message-ID: <001f01c62f6c$24e4ddb0$da5f8b48@Victoria> Well although the media ingnored us once again (RE Tristan protest), UNLESS "Le Droit" runs something positive or at least balanced tommorrow (and I'm not so sure because of the bit of a kufuffle that happened between one activist and another individual..) I think Tristan is well aware that they'll be met ' head on' next fall if they do decide to carry any fur.. I was also really impressed with GAN's Professional signs and leaflets. I'd love to still have a protest in front of the Chinese Embassy. HOWEVER, I do not think this Monday is realistic with only a handful of people possibly coming out. I am also wondering 'Does it have to be this Monday for some reason"? If we had a little more time to plan and notify people and plan to try and get media attention I would be willing to participate. However I personally think that anyone getting involved (including myself) should be aware that media could slander us into attacking the Chinese 'culture' of torturing cats and dogs. However, this is the EXACT controversial material that media likes and I'm sure many people would still be on our side regarding the issue...So in that sense it would actually be I think a good strategy to draw attention and our case would be that 'we are not attacking the culture but that subjecting animals to torture is unacceptable.' One the other hand I think it would be VERY difficult to find a spokesperson for an embassy protest unless they were to disguide themselves or something. Maybe I'm being paranoid but I wouldn't want to do it. Anyone out there willing to talk to media....?Also, it's the Canadian stores that are importing the stuff so it's not like we can expect the Chinese fur 'manufacturers' to stop what they are doing. I think the only real benefit of doing something at the embassy would be that there would be a chance to EXPOSE the issue via media but I am sure that there would be lots of counter attacks against us about the culture issue, letters and rebuttals to editors etc. if something was published but then again- ATTENTION to the issue IS what we want...and the media seems to be becomming less and less interested in covering the issue... What do people think-does it have to be this Monday? I personally think that something like this needs to be planned and thought about in a bit more detail. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The Arctic ice on which the iconic animal lives is melting away as the world heats up and, if the listing is finalised, the Bush administration will be obliged to modify its pollution policies to try to save the bear. The move comes as the President faces attack for the first time over global warming from some of his strongest allies. Evangelical Christian leaders last week took out TV ads urging action, while, in Britain, Tony Blair has warned that the world has less than seven years to get to grips with climate change. The Prime Minister made his statement on Tuesday, the same day the US Fish and Wildlife Service started the process of listing the polar bear in response to a lawsuit by environmental groups to get government protection for the species. It said the groups had presented "substantial scientific and commercial information indicating that listing the polar bear may be warranted". The bears are vulnerable to climate change because they depend entirely on the polar ice to catch seals, their main prey. The seals swim too fast in open water, and so bears have to lie in wait for them to surface for air through holes and cracks in the ice. The seals congregate in the shallow waters of the continental shelves, and the bears can reach them only when the sea is frozen. But the ice now recedes far out to sea every summer. A new report by the United Nations Environment Programme concludes that the extent of summer ice in the Arctic has shrunk by more than a quarter in the past half-century. The US government's official National Snow and Ice Data Center adds that a "stunning" reduction in sea ice has taken place in the past four years. Last summer an area twice the size of Texas disappeared. The centre believes that the rate of retreat is accelerating. Worse still for the bears, the melting is starting earlier, depriving them of seals in the spring, when they have always stocked up on food to see them through the summer. In desperation, more and more polar bears are swimming to land, and marauding through towns and villages. Made fearless by hunger, the half-ton animals have even broken into houses in search of food. One killed a 15-year-old girl in the far western Russian Arctic, while children in the northern Canadian town of Churchill are being taken to school under guard. There is even evidence from north-east Russia that polar bears have taken to eating their own species. The Fish and Wildlife Service will gather evidence on the state of the bears over the next two months before coming to a decision at the end of the year. But Rosa Meehan, the head of its marine mammal programme in Anchorage, Alaska, has already said: "It's pretty easy to make a connection between what's happening to sea ice and what might happen to polar bears." If the bear is listed under the US Endangered Species Act, regulatory agencies would be bound by law to take into account how their decisions would affect it. This could lead to tougher measures to control the spread of pollution that causes global warming, and stricter fuel-economy standards for vehicles. Starving polar bears are presenting an unprecedented challenge to George Bush's refusal to take action over global warming - and may succeed where environmentalists and other governments have failed in getting him to curb pollution. Despite the President's obdurate stance on climate change, the US administration last week took the first steps towards officially listing the bear as an endangered species. The Arctic ice on which the iconic animal lives is melting away as the world heats up and, if the listing is finalised, the Bush administration will be obliged to modify its pollution policies to try to save the bear. The move comes as the President faces attack for the first time over global warming from some of his strongest allies. Evangelical Christian leaders last week took out TV ads urging action, while, in Britain, Tony Blair has warned that the world has less than seven years to get to grips with climate change. The Prime Minister made his statement on Tuesday, the same day the US Fish and Wildlife Service started the process of listing the polar bear in response to a lawsuit by environmental groups to get government protection for the species. It said the groups had presented "substantial scientific and commercial information indicating that listing the polar bear may be warranted". The bears are vulnerable to climate change because they depend entirely on the polar ice to catch seals, their main prey. The seals swim too fast in open water, and so bears have to lie in wait for them to surface for air through holes and cracks in the ice. The seals congregate in the shallow waters of the continental shelves, and the bears can reach them only when the sea is frozen. But the ice now recedes far out to sea every summer. A new report by the United Nations Environment Programme concludes that the extent of summer ice in the Arctic has shrunk by more than a quarter in the past half-century. The US government's official National Snow and Ice Data Center adds that a "stunning" reduction in sea ice has taken place in the past four years. Last summer an area twice the size of Texas disappeared. The centre believes that the rate of retreat is accelerating. Worse still for the bears, the melting is starting earlier, depriving them of seals in the spring, when they have always stocked up on food to see them through the summer. In desperation, more and more polar bears are swimming to land, and marauding through towns and villages. Made fearless by hunger, the half-ton animals have even broken into houses in search of food. One killed a 15-year-old girl in the far western Russian Arctic, while children in the northern Canadian town of Churchill are being taken to school under guard. There is even evidence from north-east Russia that polar bears have taken to eating their own species. The Fish and Wildlife Service will gather evidence on the state of the bears over the next two months before coming to a decision at the end of the year. But Rosa Meehan, the head of its marine mammal programme in Anchorage, Alaska, has already said: "It's pretty easy to make a connection between what's happening to sea ice and what might happen to polar bears." If the bear is listed under the US Endangered Species Act, regulatory agencies would be bound by law to take into account how their decisions would affect it. This could lead to tougher measures to control the spread of pollution that causes global warming, and stricter fuel-economy standards for vehicles. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ottawaveg.com/pipermail/4animals/attachments/20060212/80a7e9c5/attachment.html From edandrea at magma.ca Sun Feb 12 15:30:00 2006 From: edandrea at magma.ca (Edelweiss D'Andrea) Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 10:30:00 -0500 Subject: [4animals] embassy protest? In-Reply-To: <001f01c62f6c$24e4ddb0$da5f8b48@Victoria> Message-ID: Hello, I am willing to act as a spokesperson at a protest at the Chinese embassy. People have a right, and an obligation, to complain about animal rights abuses in China or anywhere else. Canadians and people from other western countries are guilty by association, because we are purchasing the fur products. I heard about a recent film with Alec Baldwin, which showed an undercover film by Humane Society of the United States (HSUS) filming dogs and cats being skinned alive for their pelts and then left to die a slow agonizing horrific death after their multilation. The film is at http://www.petatv.com/tvpopup/video.asp?video=china_dog_cat_fur_boards2&Play er=wm&speed=_med. It is estimated over 5,400 dogs and cats each day in China are skinned alive for their pelts. The film showed cats crammed 20 or 30 animals one on top of another in cages and hurled 20 or 30 feet from a truck. The cats are pulled out of the box with a noose around their neck and skinned alive. It takes 20 minutes for them to die. The animals are so stunned and scared that they have their paws around each others faces, hugging one another, and licking one another's wounds. The film is described in Larry King write-up, http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0512/11/lkl.01.html. The Chinese embassy in the US recently made a statement tacitly admitting farmers actually skin cats and dogs alive for their fur, but said they don't advocate abuses in the fur industry and that they value kindness to animals. Animal rights activists should ask the Chinese embassy to come up with a plan to prevent this practice from happening, and submit to inspections by the Humane Society, PETA and others to verify the progress that they seem to like to make. Until inspections are done and animal cruelty is shown to be a thing of the past, activists need to inform consumers that what they're buying is driving a cruel industry. We need to refrain from buying any Chinese products that have fur in or on them, or any products whose country of origin we can?t ascertain. These include gloves, clothing, toys and decorative items. If we come across such products, we need to complain to the store manager or owner and tell that person why we shun Chinese products with fur, and why he or she should not sell them. If people knew what was going on, I know that they wouldn't buy fur. People can purchase synthetic products that will guard them against cold weather better than any animal skin so there's no excuse to wear fur today other than aesthetics. The presence of twenty protesters or more would definitely help the cause, and I agree it's important to take the time to get the word out properly. Perhaps another Saturday event, next week or the following week? Edelweiss -----Original Message----- From: 4animals-bounces at ottawaveg.com [mailto:4animals-bounces at ottawaveg.com]On Behalf Of v_good at rogers.com Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2006 7:35 PM To: 4animals at ottawaveg.com Subject: [4animals] embassy protest? Well although the media ingnored us once again (RE Tristan protest), UNLESS "Le Droit" runs something positive or at least balanced tommorrow (and I'm not so sure because of the bit of a kufuffle that happened between one activist and another individual..) I think Tristan is well aware that they'll be met ' head on' next fall if they do decide to carry any fur.. I was also really impressed with GAN's Professional signs and leaflets. I'd love to still have a protest in front of the Chinese Embassy. HOWEVER, I do not think this Monday is realistic with only a handful of people possibly coming out. I am also wondering 'Does it have to be this Monday for some reason"? If we had a little more time to plan and notify people and plan to try and get media attention I would be willing to participate. However I personally think that anyone getting involved (including myself) should be aware that media could slander us into attacking the Chinese 'culture' of torturing cats and dogs. However, this is the EXACT controversial material that media likes and I'm sure many people would still be on our side regarding the issue...So in that sense it would actually be I think a good strategy to draw attention and our case would be that 'we are not attacking the culture but that subjecting animals to torture is unacceptable.' One the other hand I think it would be VERY difficult to find a spokesperson for an embassy protest unless they were to disguide themselves or something. Maybe I'm being paranoid but I wouldn't want to do it. Anyone out there willing to talk to media....?Also, it's the Canadian stores that are importing the stuff so it's not like we can expect the Chinese fur 'manufacturers' to stop what they are doing. I think the only real benefit of doing something at the embassy would be that there would be a chance to EXPOSE the issue via media but I am sure that there would be lots of counter attacks against us about the culture issue, letters and rebuttals to editors etc. if something was published but then again- ATTENTION to the issue IS what we want...and the media seems to be becomming less and less interested in covering the issue... What do people think-does it have to be this Monday? I personally think that something like this needs to be planned and thought about in a bit more detail. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ottawaveg.com/pipermail/4animals/attachments/20060212/738379c1/attachment.html From edandrea at magma.ca Sun Feb 12 15:39:15 2006 From: edandrea at magma.ca (Edelweiss D'Andrea) Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 10:39:15 -0500 Subject: [4animals] Anyone have the name of the Le Droit journalist? In-Reply-To: <001f01c62f6c$24e4ddb0$da5f8b48@Victoria> Message-ID: A journalist from "Le Droit" interviewed me and the sister of the woman with the bunny ears handing out pamphlets got his business card, who also got a business card. *Sister-of-the-woman-with-the-bunny-ears-handing-out-pamphlets, could you please send me the journalist's contact information?* I lost the card he gave me, and I would like to email him an overview of fur issues and give him information about the petition I'm organizing against climate change. I think there was a fair amount of media coverage of the protest. During the argument with the a fellow who objected to our demonstration (the brother of the head of the Canadian fur association), 3 or 4 photographers were snapping photos and a CBC cameraman was filming. You may be interested to know that the brother of the fur association president was interested in animal rights issues such as loss of habitat (sprawl), pesticides, and climate change (leading to loss of habitat), although he objected to our anti-fur message because he said the fur industry is strictly regulated in Canada. Edelweiss -----Original Message----- From: 4animals-bounces at ottawaveg.com [mailto:4animals-bounces at ottawaveg.com]On Behalf Of v_good at rogers.com Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2006 7:35 PM To: 4animals at ottawaveg.com Subject: [4animals] embassy protest? Well although the media ingnored us once again (RE Tristan protest), UNLESS "Le Droit" runs something positive or at least balanced tommorrow (and I'm not so sure because of the bit of a kufuffle that happened between one activist and another individual..) I think Tristan is well aware that they'll be met ' head on' next fall if they do decide to carry any fur.. I was also really impressed with GAN's Professional signs and leaflets. I'd love to still have a protest in front of the Chinese Embassy. HOWEVER, I do not think this Monday is realistic with only a handful of people possibly coming out. I am also wondering 'Does it have to be this Monday for some reason"? If we had a little more time to plan and notify people and plan to try and get media attention I would be willing to participate. However I personally think that anyone getting involved (including myself) should be aware that media could slander us into attacking the Chinese 'culture' of torturing cats and dogs. However, this is the EXACT controversial material that media likes and I'm sure many people would still be on our side regarding the issue...So in that sense it would actually be I think a good strategy to draw attention and our case would be that 'we are not attacking the culture but that subjecting animals to torture is unacceptable.' One the other hand I think it would be VERY difficult to find a spokesperson for an embassy protest unless they were to disguide themselves or something. Maybe I'm being paranoid but I wouldn't want to do it. Anyone out there willing to talk to media....?Also, it's the Canadian stores that are importing the stuff so it's not like we can expect the Chinese fur 'manufacturers' to stop what they are doing. I think the only real benefit of doing something at the embassy would be that there would be a chance to EXPOSE the issue via media but I am sure that there would be lots of counter attacks against us about the culture issue, letters and rebuttals to editors etc. if something was published but then again- ATTENTION to the issue IS what we want...and the media seems to be becomming less and less interested in covering the issue... What do people think-does it have to be this Monday? I personally think that something like this needs to be planned and thought about in a bit more detail. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ottawaveg.com/pipermail/4animals/attachments/20060212/fd73825a/attachment.html From v at vaalea.com Sun Feb 12 19:16:13 2006 From: v at vaalea.com (vaalea) Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 14:16:13 -0500 Subject: [4animals] embassy protest? References: Message-ID: <01dc01c63008$ca8f0500$6400a8c0@v> February 25th 12:30pm is Veg*n Meetup.... so that day is preferably out unless you have the protest later in the afternoon... like 3:30pm. The benefit of a Saturday would be that more people could possibly come out because they aren't working.... but the benefit of having it on a weekday is that if we prefer to do it on the hill (like the seal protest.... or the Falun Gong - also protesting against China) then we are in the sight of the people in the government as well. ----- Original Message ----- From: Edelweiss D'Andrea To: For animal welfare/rights information and events. Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 10:30 AM Subject: RE: [4animals] embassy protest? Hello, I am willing to act as a spokesperson at a protest at the Chinese embassy. People have a right, and an obligation, to complain about animal rights abuses in China or anywhere else. Canadians and people from other western countries are guilty by association, because we are purchasing the fur products. I heard about a recent film with Alec Baldwin, which showed an undercover film by Humane Society of the United States (HSUS) filming dogs and cats being skinned alive for their pelts and then left to die a slow agonizing horrific death after their multilation. The film is at http://www.petatv.com/tvpopup/video.asp?video=china_dog_cat_fur_boards2&Player=wm&speed=_med. It is estimated over 5,400 dogs and cats each day in China are skinned alive for their pelts. The film showed cats crammed 20 or 30 animals one on top of another in cages and hurled 20 or 30 feet from a truck. The cats are pulled out of the box with a noose around their neck and skinned alive. It takes 20 minutes for them to die. The animals are so stunned and scared that they have their paws around each others faces, hugging one another, and licking one another's wounds. The film is described in Larry King write-up, http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0512/11/lkl.01.html. The Chinese embassy in the US recently made a statement tacitly admitting farmers actually skin cats and dogs alive for their fur, but said they don't advocate abuses in the fur industry and that they value kindness to animals. Animal rights activists should ask the Chinese embassy to come up with a plan to prevent this practice from happening, and submit to inspections by the Humane Society, PETA and others to verify the progress that they seem to like to make. Until inspections are done and animal cruelty is shown to be a thing of the past, activists need to inform consumers that what they're buying is driving a cruel industry. We need to refrain from buying any Chinese products that have fur in or on them, or any products whose country of origin we can?t ascertain. These include gloves, clothing, toys and decorative items. If we come across such products, we need to complain to the store manager or owner and tell that person why we shun Chinese products with fur, and why he or she should not sell them. If people knew what was going on, I know that they wouldn't buy fur. People can purchase synthetic products that will guard them against cold weather better than any animal skin so there's no excuse to wear fur today other than aesthetics. The presence of twenty protesters or more would definitely help the cause, and I agree it's important to take the time to get the word out properly. Perhaps another Saturday event, next week or the following week? Edelweiss -----Original Message----- From: 4animals-bounces at ottawaveg.com [mailto:4animals-bounces at ottawaveg.com]On Behalf Of v_good at rogers.com Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2006 7:35 PM To: 4animals at ottawaveg.com Subject: [4animals] embassy protest? Well although the media ingnored us once again (RE Tristan protest), UNLESS "Le Droit" runs something positive or at least balanced tommorrow (and I'm not so sure because of the bit of a kufuffle that happened between one activist and another individual..) I think Tristan is well aware that they'll be met ' head on' next fall if they do decide to carry any fur.. I was also really impressed with GAN's Professional signs and leaflets. I'd love to still have a protest in front of the Chinese Embassy. HOWEVER, I do not think this Monday is realistic with only a handful of people possibly coming out. I am also wondering 'Does it have to be this Monday for some reason"? If we had a little more time to plan and notify people and plan to try and get media attention I would be willing to participate. However I personally think that anyone getting involved (including myself) should be aware that media could slander us into attacking the Chinese 'culture' of torturing cats and dogs. However, this is the EXACT controversial material that media likes and I'm sure many people would still be on our side regarding the issue...So in that sense it would actually be I think a good strategy to draw attention and our case would be that 'we are not attacking the culture but that subjecting animals to torture is unacceptable.' One the other hand I think it would be VERY difficult to find a spokesperson for an embassy protest unless they were to disguide themselves or something. Maybe I'm being paranoid but I wouldn't want to do it. Anyone out there willing to talk to media....?Also, it's the Canadian stores that are importing the stuff so it's not like we can expect the Chinese fur 'manufacturers' to stop what they are doing. I think the only real benefit of doing something at the embassy would be that there would be a chance to EXPOSE the issue via media but I am sure that there would be lots of counter attacks against us about the culture issue, letters and rebuttals to editors etc. if something was published but then again- ATTENTION to the issue IS what we want...and the media seems to be becomming less and less interested in covering the issue... What do people think-does it have to be this Monday? I personally think that something like this needs to be planned and thought about in a bit more detail. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ 4animals mailing list 4animals at ottawaveg.com http://lists.ottawaveg.com/mailman/listinfo/4animals -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ottawaveg.com/pipermail/4animals/attachments/20060212/972b85fc/attachment.html From pekieca at yahoo.com Sun Feb 12 22:54:06 2006 From: pekieca at yahoo.com (K) Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 17:54:06 -0500 (EST) Subject: [4animals] embassy protest? In-Reply-To: <001f01c62f6c$24e4ddb0$da5f8b48@Victoria> Message-ID: <20060212225406.82544.qmail@web52705.mail.yahoo.com> As set out in my earlier email, Monday is the International Day of Protest re protesting Chinese Embassies re Chinese fur. So activists are trying to get more impact by having everyone protest the same day. Links re same: http://fur.arforum.org/ http://www.care2.com/c2c/gettogether/1903 http://www.keeponfighting.net/article.php?story=20060205210929655 v_good at rogers.com wrote: Well although the media ingnored us once again (RE Tristan protest), UNLESS "Le Droit" runs something positive or at least balanced tommorrow (and I'm not so sure because of the bit of a kufuffle that happened between one activist and another individual..) I think Tristan is well aware that they'll be met ' head on' next fall if they do decide to carry any fur.. I was also really impressed with GAN's Professional signs and leaflets. I'd love to still have a protest in front of the Chinese Embassy. HOWEVER, I do not think this Monday is realistic with only a handful of people possibly coming out. I am also wondering 'Does it have to be this Monday for some reason"? If we had a little more time to plan and notify people and plan to try and get media attention I would be willing to participate. However I personally think that anyone getting involved (including myself) should be aware that media could slander us into attacking the Chinese 'culture' of torturing cats and dogs. However, this is the EXACT controversial material that media likes and I'm sure many people would still be on our side regarding the issue...So in that sense it would actually be I think a good strategy to draw attention and our case would be that 'we are not attacking the culture but that subjecting animals to torture is unacceptable.' One the other hand I think it would be VERY difficult to find a spokesperson for an embassy protest unless they were to disguide themselves or something. Maybe I'm being paranoid but I wouldn't want to do it. Anyone out there willing to talk to media....?Also, it's the Canadian stores that are importing the stuff so it's not like we can expect the Chinese fur 'manufacturers' to stop what they are doing. I think the only real benefit of doing something at the embassy would be that there would be a chance to EXPOSE the issue via media but I am sure that there would be lots of counter attacks against us about the culture issue, letters and rebuttals to editors etc. if something was published but then again- ATTENTION to the issue IS what we want...and the media seems to be becomming less and less interested in covering the issue... What do people think-does it have to be this Monday? I personally think that something like this needs to be planned and thought about in a bit more detail. --------------------------------- _______________________________________________ 4animals mailing list 4animals at ottawaveg.com http://lists.ottawaveg.com/mailman/listinfo/4animals --------------------------------- Find your next car at Yahoo! Canada Autos -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ottawaveg.com/pipermail/4animals/attachments/20060212/918ddfa6/attachment.html From v_good at rogers.com Sun Feb 12 23:04:52 2006 From: v_good at rogers.com (v_good at rogers.com) Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 18:04:52 -0500 Subject: [4animals] China fur protest Message-ID: <002f01c63028$bb935d60$da5f8b48@Victoria> Eidelweiss- if you're willing to speak to media maybe you might as well co-ordinate aswell? Where is the Chinese embassy? Also, what is falun gong? So many people protest on Parliament Hill-it is boring to media but the embassy would be different and more controversial which ups our chances at media. I think a Saturday is better personally despite the veggie meet-up date (personally). I also really think this one should be advertised too somehow. We NEED numbers. I was thrilled and surprised to get 18 on Saturday but thought this was lucky eg. not usually quite so many show. I definately think its' because it was on a Saturday. That is hillarious about the Chinese embassy statement/contradiction to the U.S. I can't take this anymore about the media ignoring us especially after reading the vivid skinning description. What will it take folks? can we think of something? If I had some drinks post protest I'm at the point of feeling ok with dousing myself in red paint...I don't suppose anyone else is at this point regarding the situation? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ottawaveg.com/pipermail/4animals/attachments/20060212/fae66d73/attachment.html From v at vaalea.com Sun Feb 12 23:32:00 2006 From: v at vaalea.com (vaalea) Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 18:32:00 -0500 Subject: [4animals] China fur protest References: <002f01c63028$bb935d60$da5f8b48@Victoria> Message-ID: <028901c6302c$86cf61b0$6400a8c0@v> Chinese embassy: 515 St. Patrick Street in lowertown... along the river.. (Bus 7 route) Falun Gong is http://www.religioustolerance.org/falungong.htm "a largely spiritual movement" that has "experienced horrendous levels of persecution in China"... and also in Canada they are being watched by chinese spies. They also are protesting China's actions, but I always see them on the hill. Having it tomorrow, although it's great to do it the same time as everyone else..... is it really enough time to pull everyone together for it? ----- Original Message ----- From: v_good at rogers.com To: 4animals at ottawaveg.com Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 6:04 PM Subject: [4animals] China fur protest Eidelweiss- if you're willing to speak to media maybe you might as well co-ordinate aswell? Where is the Chinese embassy? Also, what is falun gong? So many people protest on Parliament Hill-it is boring to media but the embassy would be different and more controversial which ups our chances at media. I think a Saturday is better personally despite the veggie meet-up date (personally). I also really think this one should be advertised too somehow. We NEED numbers. I was thrilled and surprised to get 18 on Saturday but thought this was lucky eg. not usually quite so many show. I definately think its' because it was on a Saturday. That is hillarious about the Chinese embassy statement/contradiction to the U.S. I can't take this anymore about the media ignoring us especially after reading the vivid skinning description. What will it take folks? can we think of something? If I had some drinks post protest I'm at the point of feeling ok with dousing myself in red paint...I don't suppose anyone else is at this point regarding the situation? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ 4animals mailing list 4animals at ottawaveg.com http://lists.ottawaveg.com/mailman/listinfo/4animals -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ottawaveg.com/pipermail/4animals/attachments/20060212/e4bdbc17/attachment.html From pekieca at yahoo.com Mon Feb 13 00:23:14 2006 From: pekieca at yahoo.com (K) Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 19:23:14 -0500 (EST) Subject: [4animals] embassy protest? In-Reply-To: <001f01c62f6c$24e4ddb0$da5f8b48@Victoria> Message-ID: <20060213002314.35380.qmail@web52704.mail.yahoo.com> Although the media may have ignored the protest, it is important to keep the pressure on Tristan. As retail stores make their purchasing decisions long before their collections hit the stores in the Autumn, they need to be convinced now to stop selling fur. Follow up with phone calls, emails, and in-store visits, to express your concern: Tristan is also at Bayshore: 828-9011 and Baseline & Woodroffe (College Square): 225-9400 in addition to Rideau. Also, GAN held more than one protest at BEDO when it targeted that chain. That likely accounted, in no small part, for their success. GAN's site re the Tristan campaign: http://www.gan.ca/campaigns/fur+trade/tristan+%26amp%3B+america%3Aprofits+from+pain.en.html Also, good idea to contact media before event, so there is a better chance of some coverage. v_good at rogers.com wrote: Well although the media ingnored us once again (RE Tristan protest), UNLESS "Le Droit" runs something positive or at least balanced tommorrow (and I'm not so sure because of the bit of a kufuffle that happened between one activist and another individual..) I think Tristan is well aware that they'll be met ' head on' next fall if they do decide to carry any fur.. I was also really impressed with GAN's Professional signs and leaflets. I'd love to still have a protest in front of the Chinese Embassy. HOWEVER, I do not think this Monday is realistic with only a handful of people possibly coming out. I am also wondering 'Does it have to be this Monday for some reason"? If we had a little more time to plan and notify people and plan to try and get media attention I would be willing to participate. However I personally think that anyone getting involved (including myself) should be aware that media could slander us into attacking the Chinese 'culture' of torturing cats and dogs. However, this is the EXACT controversial material that media likes and I'm sure many people would still be on our side regarding the issue...So in that sense it would actually be I think a good strategy to draw attention and our case would be that 'we are not attacking the culture but that subjecting animals to torture is unacceptable.' One the other hand I think it would be VERY difficult to find a spokesperson for an embassy protest unless they were to disguide themselves or something. Maybe I'm being paranoid but I wouldn't want to do it. Anyone out there willing to talk to media....?Also, it's the Canadian stores that are importing the stuff so it's not like we can expect the Chinese fur 'manufacturers' to stop what they are doing. I think the only real benefit of doing something at the embassy would be that there would be a chance to EXPOSE the issue via media but I am sure that there would be lots of counter attacks against us about the culture issue, letters and rebuttals to editors etc. if something was published but then again- ATTENTION to the issue IS what we want...and the media seems to be becomming less and less interested in covering the issue... What do people think-does it have to be this Monday? I personally think that something like this needs to be planned and thought about in a bit more detail. --------------------------------- _______________________________________________ 4animals mailing list 4animals at ottawaveg.com http://lists.ottawaveg.com/mailman/listinfo/4animals __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ottawaveg.com/pipermail/4animals/attachments/20060212/4f58a711/attachment.html From v at vaalea.com Mon Feb 13 01:08:28 2006 From: v at vaalea.com (vaalea) Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 20:08:28 -0500 Subject: [4animals] embassy protest? References: <20060213002314.35380.qmail@web52704.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <043c01c6303a$175b65a0$6400a8c0@v> would people be available to do protests every 2 or even every 3 weeks (and then make it a social thing too maybe.... stop some place to have a bite downtown and discuss the next protest or something)? They could even perhaps be split into two themes.... IE one half of the people targeting Tristan, the other half targeting china cat/dog hair.... I think also when we have 20ish people it perhaps looks impressive when everyone is grouped together... but I think it would be good if we have a larger number to disperse into smaller groups and covered other mall entrances ..... or even if half of us stood on the OTHER side of the street. But of course part of the success depends on enough people actually regularly coming out... so it would all depend on what everyone else says they think would work.... What do you think Victoria? I know you are the one who takes care of providing the signs for many of the protests so far.... and we also can't have a protest without them! ----- Original Message ----- From: K To: For animal welfare/rights information and events. Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 7:23 PM Subject: Re: [4animals] embassy protest? Although the media may have ignored the protest, it is important to keep the pressure on Tristan. As retail stores make their purchasing decisions long before their collections hit the stores in the Autumn, they need to be convinced now to stop selling fur. Follow up with phone calls, emails, and in-store visits, to express your concern: Tristan is also at Bayshore: 828-9011 and Baseline & Woodroffe (College Square): 225-9400 in addition to Rideau. Also, GAN held more than one protest at BEDO when it targeted that chain. That likely accounted, in no small part, for their success. GAN's site re the Tristan campaign: http://www.gan.ca/campaigns/fur+trade/tristan+%26amp%3B+america%3Aprofits+from+pain.en.html Also, good idea to contact media before event, so there is a better chance of some coverage. v_good at rogers.com wrote: Well although the media ingnored us once again (RE Tristan protest), UNLESS "Le Droit" runs something positive or at least balanced tommorrow (and I'm not so sure because of the bit of a kufuffle that happened between one activist and another individual..) I think Tristan is well aware that they'll be met ' head on' next fall if they do decide to carry any fur.. I was also really impressed with GAN's Professional signs and leaflets. I'd love to still have a protest in front of the Chinese Embassy. HOWEVER, I do not think this Monday is realistic with only a handful of people possibly coming out. I am also wondering 'Does it have to be this Monday for some reason"? If we had a little more time to plan and notify people and plan to try and get media attention I would be willing to participate. However I personally think that anyone getting involved (including myself) should be aware that media could slander us into attacking the Chinese 'culture' of torturing cats and dogs. However, this is the EXACT controversial material that media likes and I'm sure many people would still be on our side regarding the issue...So in that sense it would actually be I think a good strategy to draw attention and our case would be that 'we are not attacking the culture but that subjecting animals to torture is unacceptable.' One the other hand I think it would be VERY difficult to find a spokesperson for an embassy protest unless they were to disguide themselves or something. Maybe I'm being paranoid but I wouldn't want to do it. Anyone out there willing to talk to media....?Also, it's the Canadian stores that are importing the stuff so it's not like we can expect the Chinese fur 'manufacturers' to stop what they are doing. I think the only real benefit of doing something at the embassy would be that there would be a chance to EXPOSE the issue via media but I am sure that there would be lots of counter attacks against us about the culture issue, letters and rebuttals to editors etc. if something was published but then again- ATTENTION to the issue IS what we want...and the media seems to be becomming less and less interested in covering the issue... What do people think-does it have to be this Monday? I personally think that something like this needs to be planned and thought about in a bit more detail. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ 4animals mailing list 4animals at ottawaveg.com http://lists.ottawaveg.com/mailman/listinfo/4animals __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ 4animals mailing list 4animals at ottawaveg.com http://lists.ottawaveg.com/mailman/listinfo/4animals -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ottawaveg.com/pipermail/4animals/attachments/20060212/8fc7a857/attachment.html From v at vaalea.com Mon Feb 13 01:57:21 2006 From: v at vaalea.com (vaalea) Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 20:57:21 -0500 Subject: [4animals] embassy protest? References: <20060213002314.35380.qmail@web52704.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <25ad01c63040$d43b8af0$6400a8c0@v> I think Victoria has been sending out press releases before the protests to alert the media. Also in case anyone is interested in more Tristan contact information: http://www.tristan-america.com/en/magasins.html ----- Original Message ----- From: K To: For animal welfare/rights information and events. Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 7:23 PM Subject: Re: [4animals] embassy protest? Although the media may have ignored the protest, it is important to keep the pressure on Tristan. As retail stores make their purchasing decisions long before their collections hit the stores in the Autumn, they need to be convinced now to stop selling fur. Follow up with phone calls, emails, and in-store visits, to express your concern: Tristan is also at Bayshore: 828-9011 and Baseline & Woodroffe (College Square): 225-9400 in addition to Rideau. Also, GAN held more than one protest at BEDO when it targeted that chain. That likely accounted, in no small part, for their success. GAN's site re the Tristan campaign: http://www.gan.ca/campaigns/fur+trade/tristan+%26amp%3B+america%3Aprofits+from+pain.en.html Also, good idea to contact media before event, so there is a better chance of some coverage. v_good at rogers.com wrote: Well although the media ingnored us once again (RE Tristan protest), UNLESS "Le Droit" runs something positive or at least balanced tommorrow (and I'm not so sure because of the bit of a kufuffle that happened between one activist and another individual..) I think Tristan is well aware that they'll be met ' head on' next fall if they do decide to carry any fur.. I was also really impressed with GAN's Professional signs and leaflets. I'd love to still have a protest in front of the Chinese Embassy. HOWEVER, I do not think this Monday is realistic with only a handful of people possibly coming out. I am also wondering 'Does it have to be this Monday for some reason"? If we had a little more time to plan and notify people and plan to try and get media attention I would be willing to participate. However I personally think that anyone getting involved (including myself) should be aware that media could slander us into attacking the Chinese 'culture' of torturing cats and dogs. However, this is the EXACT controversial material that media likes and I'm sure many people would still be on our side regarding the issue...So in that sense it would actually be I think a good strategy to draw attention and our case would be that 'we are not attacking the culture but that subjecting animals to torture is unacceptable.' One the other hand I think it would be VERY difficult to find a spokesperson for an embassy protest unless they were to disguide themselves or something. Maybe I'm being paranoid but I wouldn't want to do it. Anyone out there willing to talk to media....?Also, it's the Canadian stores that are importing the stuff so it's not like we can expect the Chinese fur 'manufacturers' to stop what they are doing. I think the only real benefit of doing something at the embassy would be that there would be a chance to EXPOSE the issue via media but I am sure that there would be lots of counter attacks against us about the culture issue, letters and rebuttals to editors etc. if something was published but then again- ATTENTION to the issue IS what we want...and the media seems to be becomming less and less interested in covering the issue... What do people think-does it have to be this Monday? I personally think that something like this needs to be planned and thought about in a bit more detail. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ 4animals mailing list 4animals at ottawaveg.com http://lists.ottawaveg.com/mailman/listinfo/4animals __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ 4animals mailing list 4animals at ottawaveg.com http://lists.ottawaveg.com/mailman/listinfo/4animals -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ottawaveg.com/pipermail/4animals/attachments/20060212/f8050332/attachment.html From edandrea at magma.ca Mon Feb 13 01:32:57 2006 From: edandrea at magma.ca (Edelweiss D'Andrea) Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 20:32:57 -0500 Subject: [4animals] China fur protest In-Reply-To: <002f01c63028$bb935d60$da5f8b48@Victoria> Message-ID: Hi, Although I would like to coordinate a protest, I am a single mom, working full time, and I'm involved in a half dozen environmental initiatives. For example, I'm mailing out 300 letters tomorrow to help get 1000 signatures for a climate change petition, reporting on issues for the Environmental Advisory Committee, writing an article this week for Peace and Environment News, and going to the public meeting about nuclear power at the Ottawa Congress Centre tomorrow evening. All to say, I'm already overextended. Anyone else up to organizing a demonstration? I think having it next Saturday after the Veggie Meet-Up would be a great idea. Everyone could head over to the Chinese embassy after eating. Edelweiss -----Original Message----- From: 4animals-bounces at ottawaveg.com [mailto:4animals-bounces at ottawaveg.com]On Behalf Of v_good at rogers.com Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 6:05 PM To: 4animals at ottawaveg.com Subject: [4animals] China fur protest Eidelweiss- if you're willing to speak to media maybe you might as well co-ordinate aswell? Where is the Chinese embassy? Also, what is falun gong? So many people protest on Parliament Hill-it is boring to media but the embassy would be different and more controversial which ups our chances at media. I think a Saturday is better personally despite the veggie meet-up date (personally). I also really think this one should be advertised too somehow. We NEED numbers. I was thrilled and surprised to get 18 on Saturday but thought this was lucky eg. not usually quite so many show. I definately think its' because it was on a Saturday. That is hillarious about the Chinese embassy statement/contradiction to the U.S. I can't take this anymore about the media ignoring us especially after reading the vivid skinning description. What will it take folks? can we think of something? If I had some drinks post protest I'm at the point of feeling ok with dousing myself in red paint...I don't suppose anyone else is at this point regarding the situation? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ottawaveg.com/pipermail/4animals/attachments/20060212/36ef3877/attachment.html From v at vaalea.com Mon Feb 13 04:40:52 2006 From: v at vaalea.com (vaalea) Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 23:40:52 -0500 Subject: [4animals] China fur protest References: Message-ID: <272601c63057$ae58c8e0$6400a8c0@v> Does anyone know if there are ready-made posters (like the peta ones) that deal specifically with the dog/cat fur in china?? .... rather than having to make them from scratch? And if the protest were to take place on February 25th at about 3 or 3:30... would that work out for people? This is not me taking charge (any volunteers?)... I just want to gauge difficulty/ease of doing it. Anyone else have any ideas/comments/questions/other input to toss in? ----- Original Message ----- From: Edelweiss D'Andrea To: For animal welfare/rights information and events. Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 8:32 PM Subject: RE: [4animals] China fur protest Hi, Although I would like to coordinate a protest, I am a single mom, working full time, and I'm involved in a half dozen environmental initiatives. For example, I'm mailing out 300 letters tomorrow to help get 1000 signatures for a climate change petition, reporting on issues for the Environmental Advisory Committee, writing an article this week for Peace and Environment News, and going to the public meeting about nuclear power at the Ottawa Congress Centre tomorrow evening. All to say, I'm already overextended. Anyone else up to organizing a demonstration? I think having it next Saturday after the Veggie Meet-Up would be a great idea. Everyone could head over to the Chinese embassy after eating. Edelweiss -----Original Message----- From: 4animals-bounces at ottawaveg.com [mailto:4animals-bounces at ottawaveg.com]On Behalf Of v_good at rogers.com Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 6:05 PM To: 4animals at ottawaveg.com Subject: [4animals] China fur protest Eidelweiss- if you're willing to speak to media maybe you might as well co-ordinate aswell? Where is the Chinese embassy? Also, what is falun gong? So many people protest on Parliament Hill-it is boring to media but the embassy would be different and more controversial which ups our chances at media. I think a Saturday is better personally despite the veggie meet-up date (personally). I also really think this one should be advertised too somehow. We NEED numbers. I was thrilled and surprised to get 18 on Saturday but thought this was lucky eg. not usually quite so many show. I definately think its' because it was on a Saturday. That is hillarious about the Chinese embassy statement/contradiction to the U.S. I can't take this anymore about the media ignoring us especially after reading the vivid skinning description. What will it take folks? can we think of something? If I had some drinks post protest I'm at the point of feeling ok with dousing myself in red paint...I don't suppose anyone else is at this point regarding the situation? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ 4animals mailing list 4animals at ottawaveg.com http://lists.ottawaveg.com/mailman/listinfo/4animals -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ottawaveg.com/pipermail/4animals/attachments/20060212/772d95b0/attachment.html From v_good at rogers.com Mon Feb 13 04:54:47 2006 From: v_good at rogers.com (v_good at rogers.com) Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 23:54:47 -0500 Subject: [4animals] chinese fur protest etc. Message-ID: <001901c63059$9d628560$da5f8b48@Victoria> I just wanted to clarify that I have been through a real 'ringer' healthwise for the past 8 months, being told by one specialist that I have this and another that I don't have that...I won't get into any more details suffice to say that if anyone is wondering why 'OAA' has not been on top of this 'International day of protest against Chinese fur 'manufacturing'', this is the reason why. After three years, I've been looking for a replacement co-ordinator and have been unsucessful at finding one so far. I actually hadn't even committed to this recent Tristan protest it's just that the original co-odinator bailed out at the last minute and so I agreed to try I pull something off so that Ottawa would at least be represented for National Anti-fur Day. As far as continuing the Tristan campaign, the Tristan stores will soon be bringing in their spring lines (and I was told that the Ottawa, Montreal and Vancouver locations 'oddly' pulled all their fur of the rack on Saturday..So I personally don't see a point in continuing the campaign at this point. I just found out that French CBC DID run a POSITIVE spot on the Saturday protest and I believe that Tristan realizes that this will be far from over if they are thinking of bringing fur back next fall. However, if anyone still wants to try to organize some leafletting I can try to get you in touch with GAN (or you can do do yourself through the website) and supply you with what's left of the leaflets. As far as the China fur protest, I'd just like to HAVE ONE at this point. I don't know who it should fall to to decide when and where...I personally don't think it HAS to be on a designated day as to my knowledge...the press really does not pay much attention to 'international days of this or international days of that' anyways. But that's just my take on it. Next Saturday really sounds fine to me. It would be good if it could be decided WHERE it would be though. Again, just my personal opinion but i think the embassy would be better than Parliament Hill. So I don't know who should make any final decisions unless we just agree to do it at the embassy after the veggie meet-up. Either way I think it should be decided ASAP as we will have to work hard to get some numbers(participants) as it is at this point.. Those in favour say aye??? Thanks for your understanding on why I haven't been on top on this one..and may or may not be fully active in the months to come. Time will tell whether I resume the role fully again or not. ~Victoria -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ottawaveg.com/pipermail/4animals/attachments/20060212/659517db/attachment.html From v at vaalea.com Mon Feb 13 05:18:56 2006 From: v at vaalea.com (vaalea) Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 00:18:56 -0500 Subject: [4animals] China fur protest References: <272601c63057$ae58c8e0$6400a8c0@v> Message-ID: <279801c6305c$feaccda0$6400a8c0@v> ok... I have an idea to throw out there.... what if we appeal to pet owners in Ottawa... see if we can talk to some sympathetic pet related places to put up a sign and try to get as many CATS AND DOGS to show up in front of the chinese embassy.... do you think that would work??? I guess it might be too cold for a lot of cats... and it might be difficult to get animals there.... parking and stuff..... but it would be cool.... if possible. ----- Original Message ----- From: vaalea To: For animal welfare/rights information and events. Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 11:40 PM Subject: Re: [4animals] China fur protest Does anyone know if there are ready-made posters (like the peta ones) that deal specifically with the dog/cat fur in china?? .... rather than having to make them from scratch? And if the protest were to take place on February 25th at about 3 or 3:30... would that work out for people? This is not me taking charge (any volunteers?)... I just want to gauge difficulty/ease of doing it. Anyone else have any ideas/comments/questions/other input to toss in? ----- Original Message ----- From: Edelweiss D'Andrea To: For animal welfare/rights information and events. Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 8:32 PM Subject: RE: [4animals] China fur protest Hi, Although I would like to coordinate a protest, I am a single mom, working full time, and I'm involved in a half dozen environmental initiatives. For example, I'm mailing out 300 letters tomorrow to help get 1000 signatures for a climate change petition, reporting on issues for the Environmental Advisory Committee, writing an article this week for Peace and Environment News, and going to the public meeting about nuclear power at the Ottawa Congress Centre tomorrow evening. All to say, I'm already overextended. Anyone else up to organizing a demonstration? I think having it next Saturday after the Veggie Meet-Up would be a great idea. Everyone could head over to the Chinese embassy after eating. Edelweiss -----Original Message----- From: 4animals-bounces at ottawaveg.com [mailto:4animals-bounces at ottawaveg.com]On Behalf Of v_good at rogers.com Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 6:05 PM To: 4animals at ottawaveg.com Subject: [4animals] China fur protest Eidelweiss- if you're willing to speak to media maybe you might as well co-ordinate aswell? Where is the Chinese embassy? Also, what is falun gong? So many people protest on Parliament Hill-it is boring to media but the embassy would be different and more controversial which ups our chances at media. I think a Saturday is better personally despite the veggie meet-up date (personally). I also really think this one should be advertised too somehow. We NEED numbers. I was thrilled and surprised to get 18 on Saturday but thought this was lucky eg. not usually quite so many show. I definately think its' because it was on a Saturday. That is hillarious about the Chinese embassy statement/contradiction to the U.S. I can't take this anymore about the media ignoring us especially after reading the vivid skinning description. What will it take folks? can we think of something? If I had some drinks post protest I'm at the point of feeling ok with dousing myself in red paint...I don't suppose anyone else is at this point regarding the situation? -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ 4animals mailing list 4animals at ottawaveg.com http://lists.ottawaveg.com/mailman/listinfo/4animals ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ 4animals mailing list 4animals at ottawaveg.com http://lists.ottawaveg.com/mailman/listinfo/4animals -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ottawaveg.com/pipermail/4animals/attachments/20060213/dd075888/attachment.html From v_good at rogers.com Mon Feb 13 05:32:30 2006 From: v_good at rogers.com (v_good at rogers.com) Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 00:32:30 -0500 Subject: [Bulk] Re: [4animals] China fur protest References: <272601c63057$ae58c8e0$6400a8c0@v> <279801c6305c$feaccda0$6400a8c0@v> Message-ID: <007b01c6305e$e2bffd90$da5f8b48@Victoria> I think this is an amazing idea...I live near 'Bruce Pit' - this big 'Dog Park' in the West end...if someone would be willing to help me ( I can pick you up if you need transportation) we could perhaps address people next Saturday or Sunday...HUNDREDS of dogs and owners would pass through there on a given Saturday or Sunday.... Also there is the Ottawa Humane Society..although there could be logistics involved with standing outside their doors...maybe we could get permission?? but at the least maybe we could advertise for the event there..My nextdoor neighbour works there also. I'll ask her about it. As some of you may know though the HSOC is known to be rather 'conservative' in terms of going outside the boundaries of their own agendas as opposed to Vancouver Humane Society for example..but it could also be worth a try....awesome ideas though... ----- Original Message ----- From: vaalea To: For animal welfare/rights information and events. Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 12:18 AM Subject: [Bulk] Re: [4animals] China fur protest ok... I have an idea to throw out there.... what if we appeal to pet owners in Ottawa... see if we can talk to some sympathetic pet related places to put up a sign and try to get as many CATS AND DOGS to show up in front of the chinese embassy.... do you think that would work??? I guess it might be too cold for a lot of cats... and it might be difficult to get animals there.... parking and stuff..... but it would be cool.... if possible. ----- Original Message ----- From: vaalea To: For animal welfare/rights information and events. Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 11:40 PM Subject: Re: [4animals] China fur protest Does anyone know if there are ready-made posters (like the peta ones) that deal specifically with the dog/cat fur in china?? .... rather than having to make them from scratch? And if the protest were to take place on February 25th at about 3 or 3:30... would that work out for people? This is not me taking charge (any volunteers?)... I just want to gauge difficulty/ease of doing it. Anyone else have any ideas/comments/questions/other input to toss in? ----- Original Message ----- From: Edelweiss D'Andrea To: For animal welfare/rights information and events. Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 8:32 PM Subject: RE: [4animals] China fur protest Hi, Although I would like to coordinate a protest, I am a single mom, working full time, and I'm involved in a half dozen environmental initiatives. For example, I'm mailing out 300 letters tomorrow to help get 1000 signatures for a climate change petition, reporting on issues for the Environmental Advisory Committee, writing an article this week for Peace and Environment News, and going to the public meeting about nuclear power at the Ottawa Congress Centre tomorrow evening. All to say, I'm already overextended. Anyone else up to organizing a demonstration? I think having it next Saturday after the Veggie Meet-Up would be a great idea. Everyone could head over to the Chinese embassy after eating. Edelweiss -----Original Message----- From: 4animals-bounces at ottawaveg.com [mailto:4animals-bounces at ottawaveg.com]On Behalf Of v_good at rogers.com Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 6:05 PM To: 4animals at ottawaveg.com Subject: [4animals] China fur protest Eidelweiss- if you're willing to speak to media maybe you might as well co-ordinate aswell? Where is the Chinese embassy? Also, what is falun gong? So many people protest on Parliament Hill-it is boring to media but the embassy would be different and more controversial which ups our chances at media. I think a Saturday is better personally despite the veggie meet-up date (personally). I also really think this one should be advertised too somehow. We NEED numbers. I was thrilled and surprised to get 18 on Saturday but thought this was lucky eg. not usually quite so many show. I definately think its' because it was on a Saturday. That is hillarious about the Chinese embassy statement/contradiction to the U.S. I can't take this anymore about the media ignoring us especially after reading the vivid skinning description. What will it take folks? can we think of something? 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URL: http://lists.ottawaveg.com/pipermail/4animals/attachments/20060213/9fb2a631/attachment.html From v at vaalea.com Mon Feb 13 07:05:28 2006 From: v at vaalea.com (vaalea) Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 02:05:28 -0500 Subject: [4animals] China fur protest References: <272601c63057$ae58c8e0$6400a8c0@v><279801c6305c$feaccda0$6400a8c0@v> <007b01c6305e$e2bffd90$da5f8b48@Victoria> Message-ID: <287801c6306b$df87ca10$6400a8c0@v> ok... maybe the signs should say something like: "ATTN ALL CATS AND DOGS!!!" blah blah... Dress warmly, bring a snack.... Feel free to let your companion person tag along. or Please bring along a responsible companion person ----- Original Message ----- From: v_good at rogers.com To: For animal welfare/rights information and events. Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 12:32 AM Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [4animals] China fur protest I think this is an amazing idea...I live near 'Bruce Pit' - this big 'Dog Park' in the West end...if someone would be willing to help me ( I can pick you up if you need transportation) we could perhaps address people next Saturday or Sunday...HUNDREDS of dogs and owners would pass through there on a given Saturday or Sunday.... Also there is the Ottawa Humane Society..although there could be logistics involved with standing outside their doors...maybe we could get permission?? but at the least maybe we could advertise for the event there..My nextdoor neighbour works there also. I'll ask her about it. As some of you may know though the HSOC is known to be rather 'conservative' in terms of going outside the boundaries of their own agendas as opposed to Vancouver Humane Society for example..but it could also be worth a try....awesome ideas though... ----- Original Message ----- From: vaalea To: For animal welfare/rights information and events. Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 12:18 AM Subject: [Bulk] Re: [4animals] China fur protest ok... I have an idea to throw out there.... what if we appeal to pet owners in Ottawa... see if we can talk to some sympathetic pet related places to put up a sign and try to get as many CATS AND DOGS to show up in front of the chinese embassy.... do you think that would work??? I guess it might be too cold for a lot of cats... and it might be difficult to get animals there.... parking and stuff..... but it would be cool.... if possible. ----- Original Message ----- From: vaalea To: For animal welfare/rights information and events. Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 11:40 PM Subject: Re: [4animals] China fur protest Does anyone know if there are ready-made posters (like the peta ones) that deal specifically with the dog/cat fur in china?? .... rather than having to make them from scratch? And if the protest were to take place on February 25th at about 3 or 3:30... would that work out for people? This is not me taking charge (any volunteers?)... I just want to gauge difficulty/ease of doing it. Anyone else have any ideas/comments/questions/other in