From pamela_bjcu at yahoo.ca Sat Feb 4 18:06:11 2006 From: pamela_bjcu at yahoo.ca (Pamela) Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 13:06:11 -0500 (EST) Subject: [VegChat] Sacred Garden In-Reply-To: <20060125181724.86303.qmail@web52702.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060204180611.92830.qmail@web54205.mail.yahoo.com> Today I noticed a place called "Sacred Garden Vegetarian Thai Cuisine" at Bank and Riverdale. It did not appear to be open. I found their phone number on Canada411 but nobody answered the phone, it just rang and rang. A few months ago there used to be a Chinese food restaurant in the same spot. Does anyone know about this place? Has it already opened and shut down again, or has it yet to open? I'm dying to figure this out! __________________________________________________________ Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca From pamela_bjcu at yahoo.ca Sun Feb 5 17:34:24 2006 From: pamela_bjcu at yahoo.ca (Pamela) Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 12:34:24 -0500 (EST) Subject: [VegChat] Sacred Garden In-Reply-To: <20060204180611.92830.qmail@web54205.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060205173424.49194.qmail@web54201.mail.yahoo.com> OK well I went down there myself again today to see what I could find out. It looks as though it is in fact an operating restaurant. Its hours of operation, according to a sign in its window are: Lunch Mon-Fri, 11:30-2:00 pm Dinner Mon and Sun 5:30-9:00 pm Tue-Sat 5:30-10 pm We are going to go there tonight to try it out! --- Pamela wrote: > Today I noticed a place called "Sacred Garden > Vegetarian Thai Cuisine" at Bank and Riverdale. It > did > not appear to be open. I found their phone number on > Canada411 but nobody answered the phone, it just > rang > and rang. A few months ago there used to be a > Chinese > food restaurant in the same spot. > > Does anyone know about this place? Has it already > opened and shut down again, or has it yet to open? > I'm > dying to figure this out! > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > > Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca > __________________________________________________________ Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca From edandrea at magma.ca Tue Feb 7 00:56:03 2006 From: edandrea at magma.ca (Edelweiss D'Andrea) Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 19:56:03 -0500 Subject: [VegChat] Climate change petition In-Reply-To: <20060127160939.10451.qmail@web52705.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hello, As many of you may know, the newly elected Canadian Conservative government is indicating that they may pull out of Kyoto. The environmental implications of Canada's not participating in the Kyoto Accord could be disastrous. Recent articles on the topic are at http://www.cbc.ca/canadavotes/realitycheck/goodbye_kyoto.html, http://www.businessedge.ca/article.cfm/newsID/11792.cfm, and http://www.cbc.ca/canadavotes/realitycheck/torythronespeech.html. Scientists, including those from the International Panel on Climate Change and the Academies of Science in the G8 countries, are virtually unanimous in voicing concern about climate change. Mayors from around the world declared in December 2005 that "Climate change is a major global challenge requiring urgent and concerted action and collaboration by all orders of government." Please help make Canada's commitment to action against climate change a priority for the new Conservative government. Go to http://new.PetitionOnline.com/edandrea/petition.html and sign on for action against climate change. Edelweiss D'Andrea PS Please feel free to forward this email encouraging others to sign on at http://new.PetitionOnline.com/edandrea/petition.html. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ottawaveg.com/pipermail/vegchat/attachments/20060206/db5c0eb8/attachment.html From v at vaalea.com Mon Feb 13 04:57:25 2006 From: v at vaalea.com (vaalea) Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 23:57:25 -0500 Subject: [VegChat] World Beats and Eats Message-ID: <276601c63059$fc557780$6400a8c0@v> Hey guys.... this event caught my eye because it listed cocoa camino, herb and spice and wild oat!... so I thought I'd post it for all just FYI.... Has anyone ever been to one of these World Beats and Eats?? http://community.livejournal.com/drawingehblank/10541.html World Beats and Eats March 3rd - 2006 Mercury Lounge 56 Byward st. (Sidedoor/Upstairs) $8 at the Door -Benefit for - WIAM (organizers of the One World Film Festival) -Sweets by - Cocoa Camino, Herb and Spice (Wellington), Wild Oat Bakery and Coffee by Roasted Cherry -NEW Beats - Giveaways from Putumayo World Music - In house Beats by Emily Jones followed by Special Guest The Phat Conductor -Live Art by - Labrona -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ottawaveg.com/pipermail/vegchat/attachments/20060212/b7eac1d6/attachment.html From em664 at freenet.carleton.ca Tue Feb 14 19:50:51 2006 From: em664 at freenet.carleton.ca (David Wardell) Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 14:50:51 -0500 Subject: [VegChat] Re: Climate change petition In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43F2349B.2090204@ncf.ca> Ontario and Canadians in general are a bunch of supid losers as this article shows. National Post February 9/2006 Dark days ahead by Tom Adams Thanks to Premier Dalton McGuinty's off-coal policy, Ontarians are now on track for 25%-plus power bill increases and the province's Independent Electricity System Operator has been warning of the threat of blackouts. Premier McGuinty's off-coal policy brings something else, too: dirty air. McGuinty's fixation on ridding the province of coal is irrational from start to finish. Ontario hosts two clean coal plants, Lambton 3 and Lambton 4 near Sarnia. Their emissions rank in the top 2% for cleanliness in all NAFTA. In contrast, Ontario imports much dirtier power from the U.S. The Ohio and Michigan coal plants within 160 km of the Michigan/Southern Ontario border ? the province's largest power import point ? have average emissions of mercury 8.2 times higher. Closing Lambton 3 and Lambton 4 in 2007, as McGuinty has ordered, is a recipe for dirty air. Without coal power, Ontario becomes massively dependent on gas-fired power. Wind mills and nuclear reactors aren't up to the job of replacing coal because their output can't be cranked up and down, as needed to meet the changing power needs of Ontarians and Ontario industry. Only gas power ? and hydro-electric dams in the very few remaining sites that are available ? can match coal's controllability to meet changing consumer demands. Even if cost was no object ? and natural gas power costs three times that of power from Lambton 3 and 4 ? it is only a matter of time before McGuinty admits that the coal closures scheduled for 2007 won't happen. Replacement power cannot be in place in time. McGuinty has banked on a handful of natural gas generating plants as replacements for the coal capacity he's retiring. One ? a large gas power station in Mississauga ? was cancelled in December. The other ? a large coal-replacing gas-fired station near Sarnia ? is in limbo. Its main investor, Calpine Corp., recently went bankrupt. Tellingly, Calpine's dependence on gas-fired power killed the company. Record-high gas prices made Calpine plants uneconomic, convincing customers to flee to more economic alternatives and forcing Calpine to go under. Even if the proposed Calpine gas power station can be rescued and McGuinty comes to his senses on coal, Ontario will gain nothing in power reliability. McGuinty located the proposed station adjacent to the existing power complex at Lambton, where transmission capacity is limited. The bottle-neck will idle half of generation potential in the area. Another natural gas option ? liquified natural gas ? is expensive and years away. It is also insecure, since it comes from unstable countries like Algeria and Russia. If Ontario can secure liquified natural gas, it will do nothing for the environment: When used to generate power, liquified natural gas and coal release about the same carbon-dioxide when considered on a life cycle basis. While Ontario is mired in energy insecurity, the cost of McGuinty's coal-shutdown mania rises. On May 1, power consumers across Ontario will see sharp increases in residential power rates, in some regions as high as 25%. In coming years, the rate hikes will be greater still. Some of the May 1 increase, and most of the future increases, will be directly attributed to McGuinty's extravagantly expensive power purchases. Ironically, the best potential for a large-scale reduction in emissions from fossil fuel plants comes in better ? not less ? use of coal. And here, too, McGuinty has entirely missed the boat. Only four of Ontario's 15 coal generators have modern pollution controls. Only two ? Lambton 3 and 4 ? have the full suite of end-of-pipe solutions. Because coal shutdowns have become official government policy, Crown-owned coal operator Ontario Power Generation is stalled in securing the labour, fuel supply and mechanical maintenance necessary to keep coal plants operating after the planned shutdown date of 2007. Pollution control upgrades are nowhere on the radar screen. As a result, Ontario's coal plants will be running beyond 2007 and most will be running dirty. Even our cleanest ones are primitive compared with the environmental performance of the leading units now running in the U.S., Japan, and Europe. The leading European coal technologies, to protect against possible regulations that may require greenhouse gas reductions, have adopted new coal burners that blend coal with agricultural wastes. Since these wastes can be produced with close to carbon-dioxide neutrality, the ultimate power-related emissions of such dual-fuel stations can be controlled by adjusting the fuel mix to meet changing emission control rules. European farmers have gained new markets as these machines get installed. Ontario should adopt new state-of-the-art coal plants to replace our worst generators and to fill Ontario's frightening power supply gap. The sooner McGuinty reverses his senseless anti-coal policy, the better off our economy and our environment will be. From edandrea at magma.ca Wed Feb 15 13:51:44 2006 From: edandrea at magma.ca (Edelweiss D'Andrea) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 08:51:44 -0500 Subject: [VegChat] Re: Climate change petition In-Reply-To: <43F2349B.2090204@ncf.ca> Message-ID: Although Ontario is now drawing lots of energy from dirty coal plants in the US, it has many energy options other than going back to coal-powered plants ("clean" coal is not really clean) or building nuclear power plants. I went to the public hearings on nuclear energy in Ottawa on Monday night, and the clear message from that audience was that people want real conservation and energy productivity improvements. Other than a handful, people do not want nuclear. In Toronto, the people also rejected nuclear, coal, and other carbon energy solutions. The provincial Liberals were scolded for deep-seated credibility issues, but they ignored many a hissing "Shame!" from the scornful crowd. At the Ottawa public hearings, dozens of citizens went to the microphones and talked about energy alternatives to nuclear, from biomass (including reducing and changing packaging so toxins would be eliminated), local heating, geothermal, solar, and wind. They mentioned Germany, United Kingdon, and Sweden as leaders in sustainable development. The achievements of these countries in terms of self-sufficiency, reduction of energy use and waste, and innovation were varied and impressive. For example, a city in England is going off the grid and Sweden has made a resolution to go off gas in a couple of decades. Another example is Austria. Nearly 70 percent of its domestic power production came from renewables in 2003. Taking advantage of what is readily available right within its own borders, the half-forested nation utilizes forestry byproducts like wood chips and sawdust to make pellets for high-tech, smoke-free boilers; biomass accounts for about 21 percent of its heat production. Having banned nuclear power generation, Austria is using biofuels to wean itself off of energy imports, meet environmental goals, and spur job creation. The government funds research and development into renewables and heavily subsidizes them as well. -----Original Message----- From: vegchat-bounces at ottawaveg.com [mailto:vegchat-bounces at ottawaveg.com]On Behalf Of David Wardell Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 2:51 PM To: For all discussion not animal related (health, environment, etc).Called " chat" becausethis is for all kinds of frequent interaction. Subject: [VegChat] Re: Climate change petition Ontario and Canadians in general are a bunch of supid losers as this article shows. National Post February 9/2006 Dark days ahead by Tom Adams Thanks to Premier Dalton McGuinty's off-coal policy, Ontarians are now on track for 25%-plus power bill increases and the province's Independent Electricity System Operator has been warning of the threat of blackouts. Premier McGuinty's off-coal policy brings something else, too: dirty air. McGuinty's fixation on ridding the province of coal is irrational from start to finish. Ontario hosts two clean coal plants, Lambton 3 and Lambton 4 near Sarnia. Their emissions rank in the top 2% for cleanliness in all NAFTA. In contrast, Ontario imports much dirtier power from the U.S. The Ohio and Michigan coal plants within 160 km of the Michigan/Southern Ontario border ? the province's largest power import point ? have average emissions of mercury 8.2 times higher. Closing Lambton 3 and Lambton 4 in 2007, as McGuinty has ordered, is a recipe for dirty air. Without coal power, Ontario becomes massively dependent on gas-fired power. Wind mills and nuclear reactors aren't up to the job of replacing coal because their output can't be cranked up and down, as needed to meet the changing power needs of Ontarians and Ontario industry. Only gas power ? and hydro-electric dams in the very few remaining sites that are available ? can match coal's controllability to meet changing consumer demands. Even if cost was no object ? and natural gas power costs three times that of power from Lambton 3 and 4 ? it is only a matter of time before McGuinty admits that the coal closures scheduled for 2007 won't happen. Replacement power cannot be in place in time. McGuinty has banked on a handful of natural gas generating plants as replacements for the coal capacity he's retiring. One ? a large gas power station in Mississauga ? was cancelled in December. The other ? a large coal-replacing gas-fired station near Sarnia ? is in limbo. Its main investor, Calpine Corp., recently went bankrupt. Tellingly, Calpine's dependence on gas-fired power killed the company. Record-high gas prices made Calpine plants uneconomic, convincing customers to flee to more economic alternatives and forcing Calpine to go under. Even if the proposed Calpine gas power station can be rescued and McGuinty comes to his senses on coal, Ontario will gain nothing in power reliability. McGuinty located the proposed station adjacent to the existing power complex at Lambton, where transmission capacity is limited. The bottle-neck will idle half of generation potential in the area. Another natural gas option ? liquified natural gas ? is expensive and years away. It is also insecure, since it comes from unstable countries like Algeria and Russia. If Ontario can secure liquified natural gas, it will do nothing for the environment: When used to generate power, liquified natural gas and coal release about the same carbon-dioxide when considered on a life cycle basis. While Ontario is mired in energy insecurity, the cost of McGuinty's coal-shutdown mania rises. On May 1, power consumers across Ontario will see sharp increases in residential power rates, in some regions as high as 25%. In coming years, the rate hikes will be greater still. Some of the May 1 increase, and most of the future increases, will be directly attributed to McGuinty's extravagantly expensive power purchases. Ironically, the best potential for a large-scale reduction in emissions from fossil fuel plants comes in better ? not less ? use of coal. And here, too, McGuinty has entirely missed the boat. Only four of Ontario's 15 coal generators have modern pollution controls. Only two ? Lambton 3 and 4 ? have the full suite of end-of-pipe solutions. Because coal shutdowns have become official government policy, Crown-owned coal operator Ontario Power Generation is stalled in securing the labour, fuel supply and mechanical maintenance necessary to keep coal plants operating after the planned shutdown date of 2007. Pollution control upgrades are nowhere on the radar screen. As a result, Ontario's coal plants will be running beyond 2007 and most will be running dirty. Even our cleanest ones are primitive compared with the environmental performance of the leading units now running in the U.S., Japan, and Europe. The leading European coal technologies, to protect against possible regulations that may require greenhouse gas reductions, have adopted new coal burners that blend coal with agricultural wastes. Since these wastes can be produced with close to carbon-dioxide neutrality, the ultimate power-related emissions of such dual-fuel stations can be controlled by adjusting the fuel mix to meet changing emission control rules. European farmers have gained new markets as these machines get installed. Ontario should adopt new state-of-the-art coal plants to replace our worst generators and to fill Ontario's frightening power supply gap. The sooner McGuinty reverses his senseless anti-coal policy, the better off our economy and our environment will be.