From edandrea at magma.ca Tue Jan 3 01:57:11 2006 From: edandrea at magma.ca (Edelweiss D'Andrea) Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 20:57:11 -0500 Subject: [VegChat] Free Friday night documentary film series starts January 6th! In-Reply-To: <00bc01c6078b$e11bec70$6d00a8c0@v> Message-ID: The Alternative Voice Series (AVS) free political documentary film series and post-film discussions will continue into the winter 2006 academic term at the University of Ottawa. There will be a film every Friday night at 7:30 pm from January 6, 2006, to April 7, 2006, in the: MacDonald Hall auditorium, MCD 146, main auditorium on ground floor, 150 Louis Pasteur Street, University of Ottawa campus Please join us, all welcome! Please also help us promote our film series and invite your interested friends. Upcoming films include: Still We Ride Manufacturing Consent Breaking the Bank - Washington 2000 Zapatista Black and Gold and others... Many of these titles have never been shown in commercial theaters and some are not available elsewhere. Let's start the winter series with: Black and Gold. The Latin King and Queen Nation. http://www.cultureshop.org/details.php?code=BANDG A remarkable documentary about the efforts of a notorious NY street gang to become a peaceful resistance political movement. Mainstream society's reaction is educational! Learn about the psychology of gangs and the mechanisms of new political movements... Remarkable! Friday, January 6th, MacDonald Hall auditorium (not Marion auditorium like last term!) 7:30 pm (don't be late) Hope to see you there. News: AVS film series has started the process of joining cinemapolitica: http://cinemapolitica.org/ From pamela_bjcu at yahoo.ca Thu Jan 5 16:40:52 2006 From: pamela_bjcu at yahoo.ca (Pamela) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 11:40:52 -0500 (EST) Subject: [VegChat] Getting into shape resolution In-Reply-To: <00bc01c6078b$e11bec70$6d00a8c0@v> Message-ID: <20060105164052.48126.qmail@web54210.mail.yahoo.com> Hi everyone (I think I've done this right!) I work for a local paper, and I'm looking for someone local who has made a New Year's resolution to get themselves into shape and is considering joining a gym, or purchasing exercise equipment, for a story. OR, someone who made the resolution last year, and has followed through on it and can speak about that. If you're not willing to have your name used in the story please don't reply. I've exhausted my personal contacts so I thought I'd ask the people on this list! If you might fit the bill, please e-mail me asap at my personal e-mail, pamela_bjcu at yahoo.ca. __________________________________________________________ Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca From edandrea at magma.ca Fri Jan 13 09:28:23 2006 From: edandrea at magma.ca (Edelweiss D'Andrea) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 04:28:23 -0500 Subject: [VegChat] Free Friday night documentary film series starts January 6th! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hello, I saw the movie, Black and Gold, at the University of Ottawa last Friday. It's amazing to see real, everyday people involved in heroic work; the film moved me to tears. Here's a list of the winter 2006 Ottawa film event schedule to date. The films "A Call to Action" and "El Contrato" are on this Friday, January 13. These movies are offered free every Friday at 7:30 pm, and all are welcome. There's a discussion time following the films in which to share ideas and get feedback. To get notices about movies and Activism Night sent directly from Alternative Voices, please send an e-mail to emaillist at alternativevoices.ca. Edelweiss ---------------------------- University of Ottawa campus Cinema Politica series Winter 2006 season: Fridays, January 6th to April 7th, 7:30 pm, MacDonald Hall auditorium (MCD 146), 150 Louis Pasteur Street, University of Ottawa campus. http://cinemapolitica.org/ in partnership with www.alternativevoices.ca January 13th Two films and Ottawa anti-poverty activists to lead discussions (1) A Call To Action. (2004, NFB, 12m, in French w EST) http://www.nfb.ca/trouverunfilm/fichefilm.php?lg=en&id=51945 Anti-poverty activist and OCAP employee Gaetan H?roux tell a moving story! http://www.ocap.ca/ Members of the Under Pressure Collective (http://upcollective.org/) will be on-site to lead discussions. (2) El Contrato. (2003, NFB, 51m, in English and Spanish w EST) http://www.nfb.ca/trouverunfilm/fichefilm.php?lg=en&id=51087 This outstanding and emotional documentary film could be called: "Slavery and loss of human dignity in Ontario?" Third World workers leave their families and meet their First World masters Gripping! More than 17,000 such migrant workers come to Canada every year January 20th War Hospital. (2005, NFB, 1h29m) http://www.onf.ca/trouverunfilm/fichefilm.php?id=51984 Partial story of possibly the most horrendous civil war and human rights abuses in UN history, an ongoing genocide in Darfour, Sudan... Student organizers with STAND (Students Take Action Now ? Darfour) will host the film and lead the post-film discussions. January 27th What I Learned About US Foreign Policy. The War Against the Third World. (2h3m) http://www.addictedtowar.com/dorrel.html Great historical footage and coverage: Martin Luther King, Jr., John Stockwell, Bill Moyers, Iran-Contra, School of Assassins, Genocide by Sanctions, Panama Deception, Ramsey Clark, Brian Wilson February 3rd TBA February 10th FILM CANCELLED: GSAED Interdisciplinary Conference http://www.uottawa.ca/gsaed/conference2006/ Lewis Lapham keynote talk at 7 pm, Tabaret Hall (TBT 112) February 17th TBA February 24th TBA March 3rd TBA March 10th TBA March 17th TBA March 24th In Search of History: The Plot To Overthrow FDR. (History Channel, 50m) http://store.aetv.com/html/product/index.jhtml?id=42344 The true story of a narrowly foiled fascist plot and coup attempt on US soil: http://coat.ncf.ca/our_magazine/links/53/53-index.html Anti-war activist extraordinaire Richard Sanders will host the film and lead the post-film discussion. March 31st TBA April 7th TBA (Last film of the winter 2006 series, Ottawa Cinema Politica) -------------------------- If you want to be removed from my list, let me know-Edelweiss -----Original Message----- From: dr.dreammaker [mailto:dr.dreammaker at gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 9:36 PM To: edandrea at magma.ca Subject: Re: [VegChat] Free Friday night documentary film series starts January 6th! just wondering if you know the schedule for upcoming films... or contact information for the coordinator of the series? i went last week and it was excellent but i was hoping to find out which films are playing when... thanks! kelly. On 1/2/06, Edelweiss D'Andrea wrote: The Alternative Voice Series (AVS) free political documentary film series and post-film discussions will continue into the winter 2006 academic term at the University of Ottawa. There will be a film every Friday night at 7:30 pm from January 6, 2006, to April 7, 2006, in the: MacDonald Hall auditorium, MCD 146, main auditorium on ground floor, 150 Louis Pasteur Street, University of Ottawa campus Please join us, all welcome! Please also help us promote our film series and invite your interested friends. Upcoming films include: Still We Ride Manufacturing Consent Breaking the Bank - Washington 2000 Zapatista Black and Gold and others... Many of these titles have never been shown in commercial theaters and some are not available elsewhere. Let's start the winter series with: Black and Gold. The Latin King and Queen Nation. http://www.cultureshop.org/details.php?code=BANDG A remarkable documentary about the efforts of a notorious NY street gang to become a peaceful resistance political movement. Mainstream society's reaction is educational! Learn about the psychology of gangs and the mechanisms of new political movements... Remarkable! Friday, January 6th, MacDonald Hall auditorium (not Marion auditorium like last term!) 7:30 pm (don't be late) Hope to see you there. News: AVS film series has started the process of joining cinemapolitica: http://cinemapolitica.org/ -- you won't know what hit you. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ottawaveg.com/pipermail/vegchat/attachments/20060113/1e3accc6/attachment.html From v at vaalea.com Fri Jan 13 14:58:26 2006 From: v at vaalea.com (vaalea) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 09:58:26 -0500 Subject: [VegChat] Wal*Mart movie. =0( References: Message-ID: <00ea01c61851$cf2cb8b0$6d00a8c0@v> Only just last night did I find out about ****Walmart Movie: The High Cost of Low Price**** FREE movie screening, followed by discussion when: Friday, January 13th, 7pm where: Ecclesiax (Fifth, near Bank in the Glebe) too bad meetup was scheduled long before I noticed this. If anyone on this list notices flyers for interesting events, Please pass it on!! In other news.... Cirque du Soleil is in Ottawa this spring. I mention this because Cirque du Soleil is highly recommended by PETA as the animal circus alternative. Any other events we should know about?? ----- Original Message ----- From: Edelweiss D'Andrea To: dr.dreammaker Cc: vegchat at ottawaveg.com Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 4:28 AM Subject: RE: [VegChat] Free Friday night documentary film series startsJanuary 6th! Hello, I saw the movie, Black and Gold, at the University of Ottawa last Friday. It's amazing to see real, everyday people involved in heroic work; the film moved me to tears. Here's a list of the winter 2006 Ottawa film event schedule to date. The films "A Call to Action" and "El Contrato" are on this Friday, January 13. These movies are offered free every Friday at 7:30 pm, and all are welcome. There's a discussion time following the films in which to share ideas and get feedback. To get notices about movies and Activism Night sent directly from Alternative Voices, please send an e-mail to emaillist at alternativevoices.ca. Edelweiss ---------------------------- University of Ottawa campus Cinema Politica series Winter 2006 season: Fridays, January 6th to April 7th, 7:30 pm, MacDonald Hall auditorium (MCD 146), 150 Louis Pasteur Street, University of Ottawa campus. http://cinemapolitica.org/ in partnership with www.alternativevoices.ca January 13th Two films and Ottawa anti-poverty activists to lead discussions. (1) A Call To Action. (2004, NFB, 12m, in French w EST) http://www.nfb.ca/trouverunfilm/fichefilm.php?lg=en&id=51945 Anti-poverty activist and OCAP employee Gaetan H?roux tell a moving story! http://www.ocap.ca/ Members of the Under Pressure Collective (http://upcollective.org/) will be on-site to lead discussions. (2) El Contrato. (2003, NFB, 51m, in English and Spanish w EST) http://www.nfb.ca/trouverunfilm/fichefilm.php?lg=en&id=51087 This outstanding and emotional documentary film could be called: "Slavery and loss of human dignity in Ontario?" Third World workers leave their families and meet their First World masters. Gripping! More than 17,000 such migrant workers come to Canada every year. January 20th War Hospital. (2005, NFB, 1h29m) http://www.onf.ca/trouverunfilm/fichefilm.php?id=51984 Partial story of possibly the most horrendous civil war and human rights abuses in UN history, an ongoing genocide in Darfour, Sudan... Student organizers with STAND (Students Take Action Now - Darfour) will host the film and lead the post-film discussions. January 27th What I Learned About US Foreign Policy. The War Against the Third World. (2h3m) http://www.addictedtowar.com/dorrel.html Great historical footage and coverage: Martin Luther King, Jr., John Stockwell, Bill Moyers, Iran-Contra, School of Assassins, Genocide by Sanctions, Panama Deception, Ramsey Clark, Brian Wilson. February 3rd TBA February 10th FILM CANCELLED: GSAED Interdisciplinary Conference http://www.uottawa.ca/gsaed/conference2006/ Lewis Lapham keynote talk at 7 pm, Tabaret Hall (TBT 112) February 17th TBA February 24th TBA March 3rd TBA March 10th TBA March 17th TBA March 24th In Search of History: The Plot To Overthrow FDR. (History Channel, 50m) http://store.aetv.com/html/product/index.jhtml?id=42344 The true story of a narrowly foiled fascist plot and coup attempt on US soil: http://coat.ncf.ca/our_magazine/links/53/53-index.html Anti-war activist extraordinaire Richard Sanders will host the film and lead the post-film discussion. March 31st TBA April 7th TBA (Last film of the winter 2006 series, Ottawa Cinema Politica) -------------------------- If you want to be removed from my list, let me know-Edelweiss -----Original Message----- From: dr.dreammaker [mailto:dr.dreammaker at gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 9:36 PM To: edandrea at magma.ca Subject: Re: [VegChat] Free Friday night documentary film series starts January 6th! just wondering if you know the schedule for upcoming films... or contact information for the coordinator of the series? i went last week and it was excellent but i was hoping to find out which films are playing when... thanks! kelly. On 1/2/06, Edelweiss D'Andrea wrote: The Alternative Voice Series (AVS) free political documentary film series and post-film discussions will continue into the winter 2006 academic term at the University of Ottawa. There will be a film every Friday night at 7:30 pm from January 6, 2006, to April 7, 2006, in the: MacDonald Hall auditorium, MCD 146, main auditorium on ground floor, 150 Louis Pasteur Street, University of Ottawa campus Please join us, all welcome! Please also help us promote our film series and invite your interested friends. Upcoming films include: Still We Ride Manufacturing Consent Breaking the Bank - Washington 2000 Zapatista Black and Gold and others... Many of these titles have never been shown in commercial theaters and some are not available elsewhere. Let's start the winter series with: Black and Gold. The Latin King and Queen Nation. http://www.cultureshop.org/details.php?code=BANDG A remarkable documentary about the efforts of a notorious NY street gang to become a peaceful resistance political movement. Mainstream society's reaction is educational! Learn about the psychology of gangs and the mechanisms of new political movements... Remarkable! Friday, January 6th, MacDonald Hall auditorium (not Marion auditorium like last term!) 7:30 pm (don't be late) Hope to see you there. News: AVS film series has started the process of joining cinemapolitica: http://cinemapolitica.org/ -- you won't know what hit you. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ottawaveg.com/pipermail/vegchat/attachments/20060113/c16f6b98/attachment.html From pamela_bjcu at yahoo.ca Fri Jan 13 16:47:58 2006 From: pamela_bjcu at yahoo.ca (Pamela) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 11:47:58 -0500 (EST) Subject: [VegChat] Re: Getting into shape resolution Message-ID: <20060113164759.87921.qmail@web54204.mail.yahoo.com> Well, nobody replied to my request, but the good news is that I was put in touch with a local radio personality who agreed to be my "someone" for the story (see below). Check it out in the Jan. 24 Ottawa Citizen... I make a plug for a plant-based whole foods diet! --- Pamela wrote: > Hi everyone (I think I've done this right!) > > I work for a local paper, and I'm looking for > someone > local who has made a New Year's resolution to get > themselves into shape and is considering joining a > gym, or purchasing exercise equipment, for a story. > OR, someone who made the resolution last year, and > has > followed through on it and can speak about that. > > If you're not willing to have your name used in the > story please don't reply. > > I've exhausted my personal contacts so I thought I'd > ask the people on this list! If you might fit the > bill, please e-mail me asap at my personal e-mail, > pamela_bjcu at yahoo.ca. > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > > Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca > __________________________________________________________ Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca From edandrea at magma.ca Wed Jan 18 14:12:35 2006 From: edandrea at magma.ca (Edelweiss D'Andrea) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 09:12:35 -0500 Subject: [VegChat] Vote earth Message-ID: Vote EARTH this (and every) election. The following letter I wrote to the editor was published in the January 17 Ottawa Citizen: Leading parties bad news for planet The election of a Conservative government in Canada could jeopardize progress on urgently needed international cuts to greenhouse gas emissions. Stephen Harper re-iterated his party's intention to renege on Canada's obligations to the Kyoto Protocol in 2006. The Conservative party plans on "initiating a made-in-Canada plan to reduce greenhouse gas emissions," which would replace commitments to the Kyoto Protocol. The Liberals, in power for 12 years, have allowed greenhouse gas emission levels to increase steadily. Canada's emissions are 24 per cent higher than they were in 1990. Submissions for the Kyoto Protocol negotiation process begin this spring. If Canada, as chair to the conference of the parties, doesn't continue to endorse the Kyoto Protocol and start the negotiation process as planned, the process could stall. This is unbelievably bad news for the planet. According to World Wildlife Fund, David Suzuki Foundation, and Pembina Institute, a temperature increase of two degrees C above levels in the pre-industrial age will change the planet's climate dramatically, after which the temperature will spiral irreversibly upwards. The industrial world needs to reduce its greenhouse gas emissions so that levels stabilize and don't exceed 400 parts per million. Industrialized countries need to make the cuts well before 2050. A recent report published by Pembina Institute and David Suzuki Foundation says that industrialized countries must reduce emissions by 25 to 30 per cent by 2020 and by 85 to 90 per cent by 2050 (relative to 1990 levels). The report says, as an industrialized nation, Canada needs to reduce emissions to 25 per cent by 2020 relative to 1990 levels. This means that Canada has to reduce its emissions by 49 per cent over the next 16 years. In Canada, climate change is expected to result in water shortages, flooding of coastal areas, stress-related disorders caused by environmental migration, and extinction of the polar bear and other northern species. Edelweiss D'Andrea, BA, BSc edandrea at magma.ca ------------------- Greenpeace sent out a questionnaire to the 5 major federal parties asking them a series of questions about the environment and posted them here: http://www.greenpeace.ca/e/feature/elections2006 Sierra Club of Canada also compiled answers to an environmental questionnaire: http://www.sierraclub.ca/national/vote-canada/2006/index.html ------------------- Canadian Climate Coalition denounces Conservative Party for ducking the issues January 17, 2006 (Ottawa, Victoria, Winnipeg, Edmonton, Woodbridge, and Montreal) The Canadian Climate Coalition, a nation-wide network of groups working on climate action, sent a questionnaire to all five major parties to verify positions on the Kyoto Protocol. Only the Conservative Party refused to respond. "The purpose of the survey was to determine future actions to reduce greenhouse gases in Canada. Only the NDP and the Green Party were prepared to state specific targets for future action. The Liberals have committed in general terms to long term targets after launching the process to negotiate post-2012 emission reductions last month in Montreal," noted Brent R. Kopperson, Executive Director of the Windfall Ecology Centre. There is a growing consensus among scientists that global emissions must be reduced by 30% below 1990 levels by 2020 to avoid hitting a "tipping point" in the atmosphere of 400 parts per million carbon dioxide. "According to Mr. Harper's public statements, a Conservative Party government would ignore the first stage Kyoto commitment to reduce greenhouse gases by 6% below 1990 levels by 2012. Given the urgency of the need to reduce far more by 2020, the Conservative Party position represents a significant threat to progress in confronting climate change," said Gaile Whelan Enns of Manitoba Wildlands. "It appears that a Canadian government under Stephen Harper would move Canada more into the same camp as U.S. President George W. Bush," noted Kathryn Malloy, Executive Director of the British Columbia Chapter of Sierra Club of Canada. The main plank of the Conservative Party platform on climate, the tax deduction for transit passes is, according to the Canadian Climate Coalition, a gross abuse of funds and an unproductive boondoggle. "Harper's plan will cost 200 to 800 times more for each tonne of emissions than Canada's current Project Green, which was, in fact, 'made in Canada'," according to Guy Dauncey of the BC Sustainable Energy Association. "If this is the way that Harper's 'made in Canada' plan to reduce emissions begins, then he's certainly not a fiscal conservative!" See attached Response Grid to the Questions Posed to the five main parties by the Canadian Climate Coalition and the Backgrounder on the Conservative Party position on Climate Change. Please consult with the Coalition's website: www3.sympatico.ca/lothcol/Election2006ClimateCoalition/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ottawaveg.com/pipermail/vegchat/attachments/20060118/89ce8cbe/attachment.html From edandrea at magma.ca Wed Jan 18 14:25:19 2006 From: edandrea at magma.ca (Edelweiss D'Andrea) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 09:25:19 -0500 Subject: [VegChat] Crude Awakening - Preparing for Peak Oil (January 28, City Hall) Message-ID: What would Conservative policies mean for Canadians? Here is information about Crude Awakening: Preparing for Peak Oil. More information on the Web Site www.crudeawakening.net. Crude Awakening: Preparing Ottawa-Gatineau for Peak Oil Saturday, January 28, 2005 Ottawa City Hall, Main Floor 8:30 AM to 4:00 PM Everyone is invited. Please register in advance. Summary Agenda for the Community Forum This One-Day Forum will gather a diversity of key and interested people to work in small groups. The morning discussions will define issues and concerns that we need to address in Ottawa-Gatineau as a result of the peak in the production of oil and other fossil fuels. The afternoon discussions will focus on identifying solutions, connecting key players, and developing action plans. Displays, video showings, and the exchange of information will happen throughout the day. The breakout sessions present a key opportunity for residents, businesses, City officials, and specialists to meet, network, and plan together. The closing Plenary will confirm collaboration and follow-up actions including a process for keeping connected and being innovative. In most of the last 150 years, humans have taken more oil from the Earth each year than in any preceding year. We will soon be at the point where we will be forced to start taking less and less. This turning point, called peak oil, will mark the end of growth of oil production, and the beginning of permanent decline. Our present lifestyle will be challenged as the supply of oil (and other fossil fuels) diminishes, and prices increase. Oil powers nearly all transportation machinery ? trucks, buses, cars, trains, ships and airplanes ? and virtually all construction and agricultural machinery. Municipal maintenance, emergency, and services vehicles also run on oil. Oil is used by the chemical industry in the manufacture of medications, and synthetic fertilizers and pesticides. Oil is used for heating, and in the manufacture of tens of thousands of products, from asphalt for roads, driveways, and roofing, to construction materials, and plastics for medical supplies and a very long list of consumer goods, packaging, clothing, shoes, toys, sports equipment, and common items in the home and garden, school, workplace, and cottage. In short, peak oil will affect everyone. This Forum will bring together people from all walks of life to discuss the impacts of peak oil and what we can do now to prepare for them. Community collaboration and action can mitigate many of the adverse effects of peak oil. Register for the Crude Awakening Forum, and join your neighbours, community groups, local innovators, specialists, and planners in defining issues and solutions. HOSTS: Peak Oil Planning Committee consisting of local residents, city staff, and members of the City of Ottawa?s Environmental Advisory Committee. PARTNERS AND SPONSORS: City of Ottawa, and a growing number of businesses, agencies, retailers, and funding organizations. For more information, please visit our website at: www.crudeawakening.net or contact, Ann Coffey by e-mail at: harbour at magma.ca or by calling (613-746-8668) Elaine Gibson Phone: 613-599-3112 or 1-800-616-1585 toll-free Fax: 613-599-5781 gibsonel at cyberus.ca Registration Form: If you are registering more than one person, please enclose a separate registration form for each person, and let us know if you require a receipt. Make your cheque or money order out to: City of Ottawa (please note "EAC Crude Awakening Forum" on the memo line) Mail your cheque or money order together with the completed registration form/s by January 21st 2006 to: Ann Coffey 333 Montfort Street Ottawa, Ontario K1L 5N5 1. NAME 2. AFFILIATION 3. MAILING ADDRESS 4. TELEPHONE 5. E-MAIL 6. AMOUNT ENCLOSED PLEASE PRINT CLEARLY! We plan to make this Forum as waste-free as possible. Help us to reduce waste and save energy! Please bring your own mug to the Forum! 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Name: POSTER 1.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 39417 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.ottawaveg.com/pipermail/vegchat/attachments/20060118/59f4fd19/attachment-0001.pdf From pekieca at yahoo.com Wed Jan 18 17:52:59 2006 From: pekieca at yahoo.com (K) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 12:52:59 -0500 (EST) Subject: [VegChat] Vote earth In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060118175259.309.qmail@web52710.mail.yahoo.com> The GREEN Party is the only party against the seal hunt. Both The Citizen and Jim Harris, leader of the GREENS, have stated that the GREENS stand a decent chance of getting elected here in Ottawa Centre, as well as in BC Gulf Islands. Interestingly, I noted an article which speaks of Harper's intention to give public transit users a tax credit, since they are using public transit as opposed to driving. I don't know how one could track this use to determine who is eligible, but it is the way to go. Reward those who walk, bike, take the bus, subway, etc. As you mention and has been widely stated during the election, emissions have increased during the Liberals reign. The NDP has always relied on support from large industries (unions), which are pollution causing, such as the automotive industry, although now Buzz Hargrove apparently is campaigning with Martin. K Edelweiss D'Andrea wrote: Vote EARTH this (and every) election. The following letter I wrote to the editor was published in the January 17 Ottawa Citizen: Leading parties bad news for planet The election of a Conservative government in Canada could jeopardize progress on urgently needed international cuts to greenhouse gas emissions. Stephen Harper re-iterated his party's intention to renege on Canada's obligations to the Kyoto Protocol in 2006. The Conservative party plans on "initiating a made-in-Canada plan to reduce greenhouse gas emissions," which would replace commitments to the Kyoto Protocol. The Liberals, in power for 12 years, have allowed greenhouse gas emission levels to increase steadily. Canada's emissions are 24 per cent higher than they were in 1990. Submissions for the Kyoto Protocol negotiation process begin this spring. If Canada, as chair to the conference of the parties, doesn't continue to endorse the Kyoto Protocol and start the negotiation process as planned, the process could stall. This is unbelievably bad news for the planet. According to World Wildlife Fund, David Suzuki Foundation, and Pembina Institute, a temperature increase of two degrees C above levels in the pre-industrial age will change the planet's climate dramatically, after which the temperature will spiral irreversibly upwards. The industrial world needs to reduce its greenhouse gas emissions so that levels stabilize and don't exceed 400 parts per million. Industrialized countries need to make the cuts well before 2050. A recent report published by Pembina Institute and David Suzuki Foundation says that industrialized countries must reduce emissions by 25 to 30 per cent by 2020 and by 85 to 90 per cent by 2050 (relative to 1990 levels). The report says, as an industrialized nation, Canada needs to reduce emissions to 25 per cent by 2020 relative to 1990 levels. This means that Canada has to reduce its emissions by 49 per cent over the next 16 years. In Canada, climate change is expected to result in water shortages, flooding of coastal areas, stress-related disorders caused by environmental migration, and extinction of the polar bear and other northern species. Edelweiss D'Andrea, BA, BSc edandrea at magma.ca ------------------- Greenpeace sent out a questionnaire to the 5 major federal parties asking them a series of questions about the environment and posted them here: http://www.greenpeace.ca/e/feature/elections2006 Sierra Club of Canada also compiled answers to an environmental questionnaire: http://www.sierraclub.ca/national/vote-canada/2006/index.html ------------------- Canadian Climate Coalition denounces Conservative Party for ducking the issues January 17, 2006 (Ottawa, Victoria, Winnipeg, Edmonton, Woodbridge, and Montreal) The Canadian Climate Coalition, a nation-wide network of groups working on climate action, sent a questionnaire to all five major parties to verify positions on the Kyoto Protocol. Only the Conservative Party refused to respond. "The purpose of the survey was to determine future actions to reduce greenhouse gases in Canada. Only the NDP and the Green Party were prepared to state specific targets for future action. The Liberals have committed in general terms to long term targets after launching the process to negotiate post-2012 emission reductions last month in Montreal," noted Brent R. Kopperson, Executive Director of the Windfall Ecology Centre. There is a growing consensus among scientists that global emissions must be reduced by 30% below 1990 levels by 2020 to avoid hitting a "tipping point" in the atmosphere of 400 parts per million carbon dioxide. "According to Mr. Harper's public statements, a Conservative Party government would ignore the first stage Kyoto commitment to reduce greenhouse gases by 6% below 1990 levels by 2012. Given the urgency of the need to reduce far more by 2020, the Conservative Party position represents a significant threat to progress in confronting climate change," said Gaile Whelan Enns of Manitoba Wildlands. "It appears that a Canadian government under Stephen Harper would move Canada more into the same camp as U.S. President George W. Bush," noted Kathryn Malloy, Executive Director of the British Columbia Chapter of Sierra Club of Canada. The main plank of the Conservative Party platform on climate, the tax deduction for transit passes is, according to the Canadian Climate Coalition, a gross abuse of funds and an unproductive boondoggle. "Harper's plan will cost 200 to 800 times more for each tonne of emissions than Canada's current Project Green, which was, in fact, 'made in Canada'," according to Guy Dauncey of the BC Sustainable Energy Association. "If this is the way that Harper's 'made in Canada' plan to reduce emissions begins, then he's certainly not a fiscal conservative!" See attached Response Grid to the Questions Posed to the five main parties by the Canadian Climate Coalition and the Backgrounder on the Conservative Party position on Climate Change. Please consult with the Coalition's website: www3.sympatico.ca/lothcol/Election2006ClimateCoalition/ --------------------------------- Find your next car at Yahoo! Canada Autos -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ottawaveg.com/pipermail/vegchat/attachments/20060118/9c58b992/attachment.html From edandrea at magma.ca Thu Jan 19 03:02:19 2006 From: edandrea at magma.ca (Edelweiss D'Andrea) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 22:02:19 -0500 Subject: [VegChat] Vote earth In-Reply-To: <20060118175259.309.qmail@web52710.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thanks for your feedback, K. I agree with most, but would like to mention that while subsidizing public transit sounds good, it's a not cost effective. The Conservatives would shift $2 billion from the Liberals' five-year, $10 billion climate-change plan to pay for the 16 per cent tax break on bus and subway passes. That's 20% of the climate change budget. Dion estimates that would save, at most, 800,000 tonnes of greenhouse gas emissions each year by getting commuters out of cars and onto public transit. That's a tiny fraction of the 270 million tonnes Canada must cut each year to meet its Kyoto target. -----Original Message----- From: vegchat-bounces at ottawaveg.com [mailto:vegchat-bounces at ottawaveg.com]On Behalf Of K Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 12:53 PM To: For all discussion not animal related (health, environment,etc). Called ", chat",because this is for all kinds of frequent interaction. Subject: Re: [VegChat] Vote earth The GREEN Party is the only party against the seal hunt. Both The Citizen and Jim Harris, leader of the GREENS, have stated that the GREENS stand a decent chance of getting elected here in Ottawa Centre, as well as in BC Gulf Islands. Interestingly, I noted an article which speaks of Harper's intention to give public transit users a tax credit, since they are using public transit as opposed to driving. I don't know how one could track this use to determine who is eligible, but it is the way to go. Reward those who walk, bike, take the bus, subway, etc. As you mention and has been widely stated during the election, emissions have increased during the Liberals reign. The NDP has always relied on support from large industries (unions), which are pollution causing, such as the automotive industry, although now Buzz Hargrove apparently is campaigning with Martin. K Edelweiss D'Andrea wrote: Vote EARTH this (and every) election. The following letter I wrote to the editor was published in the January 17 Ottawa Citizen: Leading parties bad news for planet The election of a Conservative government in Canada could jeopardize progress on urgently needed international cuts to greenhouse gas emissions. Stephen Harper re-iterated his party's intention to renege on Canada's obligations to the Kyoto Protocol in 2006. The Conservative party plans on "initiating a made-in-Canada plan to reduce greenhouse gas emissions," which would replace commitments to the Kyoto Protocol. The Liberals, in power for 12 years, have allowed greenhouse gas emission levels to increase steadily. Canada's emissions are 24 per cent higher than they were in 1990. Submissions for the Kyoto Protocol negotiation process begin this spring. If Canada, as chair to the conference of the parties, doesn't continue to endorse the Kyoto Protocol and start the negotiation process as planned, the process could stall. This is unbelievably bad news for the planet. According to World Wildlife Fund, David Suzuki Foundation, and Pembina Institute, a temperature increase of two degrees C above levels in the pre-industrial age will change the planet's climate dramatically, after which the temperature will spiral irreversibly upwards. The industrial world needs to reduce its greenhouse gas emissions so that levels stabilize and don't exceed 400 parts per million. Industrialized countries need to make the cuts well before 2050. A recent report published by Pembina Institute and David Suzuki Foundation says that industrialized countries must reduce emissions by 25 to 30 per cent by 2020 and by 85 to 90 per cent by 2050 (relative to 1990 levels). The report says, as an industrialized nation, Canada needs to reduce emissions to 25 per cent by 2020 relative to 1990 levels. This means that Canada has to reduce its emissions by 49 per cent over the next 16 years. In Canada, climate change is expected to result in water shortages, flooding of coastal areas, stress-related disorders caused by environmental migration, and extinction of the polar bear and other northern species. Edelweiss D'Andrea, BA, BSc edandrea at magma.ca ------------------- Greenpeace sent out a questionnaire to the 5 major federal parties asking them a series of questions about the environment and posted them here: http://www.greenpeace.ca/e/feature/elections2006 Sierra Club of Canada also compiled answers to an environmental questionnaire: http://www.sierraclub.ca/national/vote-canada/2006/index.html ------------------- Canadian Climate Coalition denounces Conservative Party for ducking the issues January 17, 2006 (Ottawa, Victoria, Winnipeg, Edmonton, Woodbridge, and Montreal) The Canadian Climate Coalition, a nation-wide network of groups working on climate action, sent a questionnaire to all five major parties to verify positions on the Kyoto Protocol. Only the Conservative Party refused to respond. "The purpose of the survey was to determine future actions to reduce greenhouse gases in Canada. Only the NDP and the Green Party were prepared to state specific targets for future action. The Liberals have committed in general terms to long term targets after launching the process to negotiate post-2012 emission reductions last month in Montreal," noted Brent R. Kopperson, Executive Director of the Windfall Ecology Centre. There is a growing consensus among scientists that global emissions must be reduced by 30% below 1990 levels by 2020 to avoid hitting a "tipping point" in the atmosphere of 400 parts per million carbon dioxide. "According to Mr. Harper's public statements, a Conservative Party government would ignore the first stage Kyoto commitment to reduce greenhouse gases by 6% below 1990 levels by 2012. Given the urgency of the need to reduce far more by 2020, the Conservative Party position represents a significant threat to progress in confronting climate change," said Gaile Whelan Enns of Manitoba Wildlands. "It appears that a Canadian government under Stephen Harper would move Canada more into the same camp as U.S. President George W. Bush," noted Kathryn Malloy, Executive Director of the British Columbia Chapter of Sierra Club of Canada. The main plank of the Conservative Party platform on climate, the tax deduction for transit passes is, according to the Canadian Climate Coalition, a gross abuse of funds and an unproductive boondoggle. "Harper's plan will cost 200 to 800 times more for each tonne of emissions than Canada's current Project Green, which was, in fact, 'made in Canada'," according to Guy Dauncey of the BC Sustainable Energy Association. "If this is the way that Harper's 'made in Canada' plan to reduce emissions begins, then he's certainly not a fiscal conservative!" See attached Response Grid to the Questions Posed to the five main parties by the Canadian Climate Coalition and the Backgrounder on the Conservative Party position on Climate Change. Please consult with the Coalition's website: www3.sympatico.ca/lothcol/Election2006ClimateCoalition/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Find your next car at Yahoo! Canada Autos -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ottawaveg.com/pipermail/vegchat/attachments/20060118/2adb2d66/attachment.html From v at vaalea.com Thu Jan 19 04:43:12 2006 From: v at vaalea.com (vaalea) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 23:43:12 -0500 Subject: [VegChat] Vote earth References: Message-ID: <004101c61cb2$db4d7200$6d00a8c0@v> The Ottawa website says that they are trying to promote tele-commuting to cut down on traffic too.... but then they have all these laws surrounding working from home... like if you hire someone to work for you and they don't live there, you HAVE TO provide a parking space for them, even if they never drive/don't have a car. Perhaps it makes more sense in the suburbs and beyond, but in Ottawa Center it's a little ridiculous both with lack of space in general, and the fact that a good number of people in the Ottawa core rely on other modes of transportation other than driving. I personally like both working from home, and living close to my work. I had said before that I would like to see the public transportation changed over to "greener" vehicles (since they are running all day)...and now I read on the green party website: "4 HYBRID CARS Hybrid cars - which reclaim energy from braking - reduce gas consumption by 50 per cent over traditional autos of the same weight and size. The first group that should get these cars is taxi drivers. Taxis cover 10 times as many kilometres per year as do average cars, so converting the 25,000 taxis in Canada to be more fuel efficient would have a huge impact. I've done the calculations: this would save about 500,000,000 litres of gas a year. And it's good for business too. At current gas prices a hybrid taxi pays for itself in gas savings in just 1.5 years. On Oct. 29, 2004 the government of Canada was investing $100 million of taxpayers' money to support the production of old auto technology. Two weeks later, California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger was over in Japan, wooing Toyota and trying to get the first North American hybrid plant built in his state. So while the Canadian government is investing in the past, the Californian government is investing in the future. Why leave the jobs that will be expanding in the long term to California? We should work to locate a hybrid production facility right here, right now in Canada." http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:qeXqpyuDQP4J:www.greenparty.ca/page56.html+%22green+party%22+taxi+hybrid&hl=en ...they could put the production facility in the Maritimes and offer jobs to the fishermen instead of letting them club seals... =0P (yeah, I know the green party is also against the seal hunt) ----- Original Message ----- From: Edelweiss D'Andrea To: For all discussion not animal related (health, environment,etc). Called" chat" because this is for all kinds of frequent interaction. Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 10:02 PM Subject: RE: [VegChat] Vote earth Thanks for your feedback, K. I agree with most, but would like to mention that while subsidizing public transit sounds good, it's a not cost effective. The Conservatives would shift $2 billion from the Liberals' five-year, $10 billion climate-change plan to pay for the 16 per cent tax break on bus and subway passes. That's 20% of the climate change budget. Dion estimates that would save, at most, 800,000 tonnes of greenhouse gas emissions each year by getting commuters out of cars and onto public transit. That's a tiny fraction of the 270 million tonnes Canada must cut each year to meet its Kyoto target. -----Original Message----- From: vegchat-bounces at ottawaveg.com [mailto:vegchat-bounces at ottawaveg.com]On Behalf Of K Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 12:53 PM To: For all discussion not animal related (health, environment,etc). Called ", chat",because this is for all kinds of frequent interaction. Subject: Re: [VegChat] Vote earth The GREEN Party is the only party against the seal hunt. Both The Citizen and Jim Harris, leader of the GREENS, have stated that the GREENS stand a decent chance of getting elected here in Ottawa Centre, as well as in BC Gulf Islands. Interestingly, I noted an article which speaks of Harper's intention to give public transit users a tax credit, since they are using public transit as opposed to driving. I don't know how one could track this use to determine who is eligible, but it is the way to go. Reward those who walk, bike, take the bus, subway, etc. As you mention and has been widely stated during the election, emissions have increased during the Liberals reign. The NDP has always relied on support from large industries (unions), which are pollution causing, such as the automotive industry, although now Buzz Hargrove apparently is campaigning with Martin. K Edelweiss D'Andrea wrote: Vote EARTH this (and every) election. The following letter I wrote to the editor was published in the January 17 Ottawa Citizen: Leading parties bad news for planet The election of a Conservative government in Canada could jeopardize progress on urgently needed international cuts to greenhouse gas emissions. Stephen Harper re-iterated his party's intention to renege on Canada's obligations to the Kyoto Protocol in 2006. The Conservative party plans on "initiating a made-in-Canada plan to reduce greenhouse gas emissions," which would replace commitments to the Kyoto Protocol. The Liberals, in power for 12 years, have allowed greenhouse gas emission levels to increase steadily. Canada's emissions are 24 per cent higher than they were in 1990. Submissions for the Kyoto Protocol negotiation process begin this spring. If Canada, as chair to the conference of the parties, doesn't continue to endorse the Kyoto Protocol and start the negotiation process as planned, the process could stall. This is unbelievably bad news for the planet. According to World Wildlife Fund, David Suzuki Foundation, and Pembina Institute, a temperature increase of two degrees C above levels in the pre-industrial age will change the planet's climate dramatically, after which the temperature will spiral irreversibly upwards. The industrial world needs to reduce its greenhouse gas emissions so that levels stabilize and don't exceed 400 parts per million. Industrialized countries need to make the cuts well before 2050. A recent report published by Pembina Institute and David Suzuki Foundation says that industrialized countries must reduce emissions by 25 to 30 per cent by 2020 and by 85 to 90 per cent by 2050 (relative to 1990 levels). The report says, as an industrialized nation, Canada needs to reduce emissions to 25 per cent by 2020 relative to 1990 levels. This means that Canada has to reduce its emissions by 49 per cent over the next 16 years. In Canada, climate change is expected to result in water shortages, flooding of coastal areas, stress-related disorders caused by environmental migration, and extinction of the polar bear and other northern species. Edelweiss D'Andrea, BA, BSc edandrea at magma.ca ------------------- Greenpeace sent out a questionnaire to the 5 major federal parties asking them a series of questions about the environment and posted them here: http://www.greenpeace.ca/e/feature/elections2006 Sierra Club of Canada also compiled answers to an environmental questionnaire: http://www.sierraclub.ca/national/vote-canada/2006/index.html ------------------- Canadian Climate Coalition denounces Conservative Party for ducking the issues January 17, 2006 (Ottawa, Victoria, Winnipeg, Edmonton, Woodbridge, and Montreal) The Canadian Climate Coalition, a nation-wide network of groups working on climate action, sent a questionnaire to all five major parties to verify positions on the Kyoto Protocol. Only the Conservative Party refused to respond. "The purpose of the survey was to determine future actions to reduce greenhouse gases in Canada. Only the NDP and the Green Party were prepared to state specific targets for future action. The Liberals have committed in general terms to long term targets after launching the process to negotiate post-2012 emission reductions last month in Montreal," noted Brent R. Kopperson, Executive Director of the Windfall Ecology Centre. There is a growing consensus among scientists that global emissions must be reduced by 30% below 1990 levels by 2020 to avoid hitting a "tipping point" in the atmosphere of 400 parts per million carbon dioxide. "According to Mr. Harper's public statements, a Conservative Party government would ignore the first stage Kyoto commitment to reduce greenhouse gases by 6% below 1990 levels by 2012. Given the urgency of the need to reduce far more by 2020, the Conservative Party position represents a significant threat to progress in confronting climate change," said Gaile Whelan Enns of Manitoba Wildlands. "It appears that a Canadian government under Stephen Harper would move Canada more into the same camp as U.S. President George W. Bush," noted Kathryn Malloy, Executive Director of the British Columbia Chapter of Sierra Club of Canada. The main plank of the Conservative Party platform on climate, the tax deduction for transit passes is, according to the Canadian Climate Coalition, a gross abuse of funds and an unproductive boondoggle. "Harper's plan will cost 200 to 800 times more for each tonne of emissions than Canada's current Project Green, which was, in fact, 'made in Canada'," according to Guy Dauncey of the BC Sustainable Energy Association. "If this is the way that Harper's 'made in Canada' plan to reduce emissions begins, then he's certainly not a fiscal conservative!" See attached Response Grid to the Questions Posed to the five main parties by the Canadian Climate Coalition and the Backgrounder on the Conservative Party position on Climate Change. Please consult with the Coalition's website: www3.sympatico.ca/lothcol/Election2006ClimateCoalition/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Find your next car at Yahoo! Canada Autos -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ottawaveg.com/pipermail/vegchat/attachments/20060118/d7f1e67c/attachment.html From pekieca at yahoo.com Thu Jan 19 16:59:28 2006 From: pekieca at yahoo.com (K) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 11:59:28 -0500 (EST) Subject: [VegChat] Vote earth In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060119165928.78955.qmail@web52702.mail.yahoo.com> Hello all, Since emissions have increased during the Liberals reign, I am not convinced that they would follow through on a $10 billion climate-change plan. Regardless, incentives to take public transit not only positively impact upon the environment, but reduces gridlock on the roads as well as noise pollution and less cars is safer for bikers. And for those who may bike or walk.....better health....less of a burden on our health care system... While 800,000 tonnes of greenhouse gas emissions may seem small in the larger scheme of things, I believe every little bit helps. If government takes the stance that a reduction of 800,000 tonnes is not effective, then why should a person bother to recycle, become a veg*n, etc. After all, how can just one person make a difference? I believe Dions' remarks are just another example of the Liberals attempts to attack the Conservatives. BTW, yesterday I mentioned Buzz Hargrove campaigning with Paul Martin. Last night Martin was engaged in a quite a bit of damage control trying to undo the damage caused by Hargrove as Hargrove told Quebeckers yesterday to vote Bloc instead of Conservative. So it would seem that Dion will nay say anything the Conservatives have to offer. As well, David Suzuki's "Nature Challenge" has always advocated that not driving is one of the top ten things that one can do to help the environment. I tend to give more credence to what Dr. Sukuki says than what Dion might speculate. Edelweiss D'Andrea wrote: Thanks for your feedback, K. I agree with most, but would like to mention that while subsidizing public transit sounds good, it's a not cost effective. The Conservatives would shift $2 billion from the Liberals' five-year, $10 billion climate-change plan to pay for the 16 per cent tax break on bus and subway passes. That's 20% of the climate change budget. Dion estimates that would save, at most, 800,000 tonnes of greenhouse gas emissions each year by getting commuters out of cars and onto public transit. That's a tiny fraction of the 270 million tonnes Canada must cut each year to meet its Kyoto target. -----Original Message----- From: vegchat-bounces at ottawaveg.com [mailto:vegchat-bounces at ottawaveg.com]On Behalf Of K Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 12:53 PM To: For all discussion not animal related (health, environment,etc). Called ", chat",because this is for all kinds of frequent interaction. Subject: Re: [VegChat] Vote earth The GREEN Party is the only party against the seal hunt. Both The Citizen and Jim Harris, leader of the GREENS, have stated that the GREENS stand a decent chance of getting elected here in Ottawa Centre, as well as in BC Gulf Islands. Interestingly, I noted an article which speaks of Harper's intention to give public transit users a tax credit, since they are using public transit as opposed to driving. I don't know how one could track this use to determine who is eligible, but it is the way to go. Reward those who walk, bike, take the bus, subway, etc. As you mention and has been widely stated during the election, emissions have increased during the Liberals reign. The NDP has always relied on support from large industries (unions), which are pollution causing, such as the automotive industry, although now Buzz Hargrove apparently is campaigning with Martin. K Edelweiss D'Andrea wrote: Vote EARTH this (and every) election. The following letter I wrote to the editor was published in the January 17 Ottawa Citizen: Leading parties bad news for planet The election of a Conservative government in Canada could jeopardize progress on urgently needed international cuts to greenhouse gas emissions. Stephen Harper re-iterated his party's intention to renege on Canada's obligations to the Kyoto Protocol in 2006. The Conservative party plans on "initiating a made-in-Canada plan to reduce greenhouse gas emissions," which would replace commitments to the Kyoto Protocol. The Liberals, in power for 12 years, have allowed greenhouse gas emission levels to increase steadily. Canada's emissions are 24 per cent higher than they were in 1990. Submissions for the Kyoto Protocol negotiation process begin this spring. If Canada, as chair to the conference of the parties, doesn't continue to endorse the Kyoto Protocol and start the negotiation process as planned, the process could stall. This is unbelievably bad news for the planet. According to World Wildlife Fund, David Suzuki Foundation, and Pembina Institute, a temperature increase of two degrees C above levels in the pre-industrial age will change the planet's climate dramatically, after which the temperature will spiral irreversibly upwards. The industrial world needs to reduce its greenhouse gas emissions so that levels stabilize and don't exceed 400 parts per million. Industrialized countries need to make the cuts well before 2050. A recent report published by Pembina Institute and David Suzuki Foundation says that industrialized countries must reduce emissions by 25 to 30 per cent by 2020 and by 85 to 90 per cent by 2050 (relative to 1990 levels). The report says, as an industrialized nation, Canada needs to reduce emissions to 25 per cent by 2020 relative to 1990 levels. This means that Canada has to reduce its emissions by 49 per cent over the next 16 years. In Canada, climate change is expected to result in water shortages, flooding of coastal areas, stress-related disorders caused by environmental migration, and extinction of the polar bear and other northern species. Edelweiss D'Andrea, BA, BSc edandrea at magma.ca ------------------- Greenpeace sent out a questionnaire to the 5 major federal parties asking them a series of questions about the environment and posted them here: http://www.greenpeace.ca/e/feature/elections2006 Sierra Club of Canada also compiled answers to an environmental questionnaire: http://www.sierraclub.ca/national/vote-canada/2006/index.html ------------------- Canadian Climate Coalition denounces Conservative Party for ducking the issues January 17, 2006 (Ottawa, Victoria, Winnipeg, Edmonton, Woodbridge, and Montreal) The Canadian Climate Coalition, a nation-wide network of groups working on climate action, sent a questionnaire to all five major parties to verify positions on the Kyoto Protocol. Only the Conservative Party refused to respond. "The purpose of the survey was to determine future actions to reduce greenhouse gases in Canada. Only the NDP and the Green Party were prepared to state specific targets for future action. The Liberals have committed in general terms to long term targets after launching the process to negotiate post-2012 emission reductions last month in Montreal," noted Brent R. Kopperson, Executive Director of the Windfall Ecology Centre. There is a growing consensus among scientists that global emissions must be reduced by 30% below 1990 levels by 2020 to avoid hitting a "tipping point" in the atmosphere of 400 parts per million carbon dioxide. "According to Mr. Harper's public statements, a Conservative Party government would ignore the first stage Kyoto commitment to reduce greenhouse gases by 6% below 1990 levels by 2012. Given the urgency of the need to reduce far more by 2020, the Conservative Party position represents a significant threat to progress in confronting climate change," said Gaile Whelan Enns of Manitoba Wildlands. "It appears that a Canadian government under Stephen Harper would move Canada more into the same camp as U.S. President George W. Bush," noted Kathryn Malloy, Executive Director of the British Columbia Chapter of Sierra Club of Canada. The main plank of the Conservative Party platform on climate, the tax deduction for transit passes is, according to the Canadian Climate Coalition, a gross abuse of funds and an unproductive boondoggle. "Harper's plan will cost 200 to 800 times more for each tonne of emissions than Canada's current Project Green, which was, in fact, 'made in Canada'," according to Guy Dauncey of the BC Sustainable Energy Association. "If this is the way that Harper's 'made in Canada' plan to reduce emissions begins, then he's certainly not a fiscal conservative!" See attached Response Grid to the Questions Posed to the five main parties by the Canadian Climate Coalition and the Backgrounder on the Conservative Party position on Climate Change. Please consult with the Coalition's website: www3.sympatico.ca/lothcol/Election2006ClimateCoalition/ --------------------------------- Find your next car at Yahoo! Canada Autos --------------------------------- Find your next car at Yahoo! Canada Autos -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ottawaveg.com/pipermail/vegchat/attachments/20060119/a8f8a78b/attachment.html From pekieca at yahoo.com Thu Jan 19 17:06:49 2006 From: pekieca at yahoo.com (K) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 12:06:49 -0500 (EST) Subject: [VegChat] Vote earth In-Reply-To: <004101c61cb2$db4d7200$6d00a8c0@v> Message-ID: <20060119170649.75291.qmail@web52711.mail.yahoo.com> Many of the streetcars in Toronto are electric..so they run silent as well. Thanks for the taxi stats. Something to push for. A hybrid facility in NFLD....good suggestion....how about wind turbines too. During an interview with CBC last week, Jim Harris, leader of the GREENS, talked about Quebec Liberal Leader Charest's plans to utilize wind energy, yet had to go to Norway and the US for the technology as there are no facilities in Canada. Wasted opportunity. On the negative side, many believe that windmills are a blight on the landscape and I have read that many birds crash into them so some areas at least have added lights to warn off birds. vaalea wrote: The Ottawa website says that they are trying to promote tele-commuting to cut down on traffic too.... but then they have all these laws surrounding working from home... like if you hire someone to work for you and they don't live there, you HAVE TO provide a parking space for them, even if they never drive/don't have a car. Perhaps it makes more sense in the suburbs and beyond, but in Ottawa Center it's a little ridiculous both with lack of space in general, and the fact that a good number of people in the Ottawa core rely on other modes of transportation other than driving. I personally like both working from home, and living close to my work. I had said before that I would like to see the public transportation changed over to "greener" vehicles (since they are running all day)...and now I read on the green party website: "4 HYBRID CARS Hybrid cars ? which reclaim energy from braking ? reduce gas consumption by 50 per cent over traditional autos of the same weight and size. The first group that should get these cars is taxi drivers. Taxis cover 10 times as many kilometres per year as do average cars, so converting the 25,000 taxis in Canada to be more fuel efficient would have a huge impact. I've done the calculations: this would save about 500,000,000 litres of gas a year. And it's good for business too. At current gas prices a hybrid taxi pays for itself in gas savings in just 1.5 years. On Oct. 29, 2004 the government of Canada was investing $100 million of taxpayers' money to support the production of old auto technology. Two weeks later, California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger was over in Japan, wooing Toyota and trying to get the first North American hybrid plant built in his state. So while the Canadian government is investing in the past, the Californian government is investing in the future. Why leave the jobs that will be expanding in the long term to California? We should work to locate a hybrid production facility right here, right now in Canada." http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:qeXqpyuDQP4J:www.greenparty.ca/page56.html+%22green+party%22+taxi+hybrid&hl=en ...they could put the production facility in the Maritimes and offer jobs to the fishermen instead of letting them club seals... =0P (yeah, I know the green party is also against the seal hunt) ----- Original Message ----- From: Edelweiss D'Andrea To: For all discussion not animal related (health, environment,etc). Called" chat" because this is for all kinds of frequent interaction. Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 10:02 PM Subject: RE: [VegChat] Vote earth Thanks for your feedback, K. I agree with most, but would like to mention that while subsidizing public transit sounds good, it's a not cost effective. The Conservatives would shift $2 billion from the Liberals' five-year, $10 billion climate-change plan to pay for the 16 per cent tax break on bus and subway passes. That's 20% of the climate change budget. Dion estimates that would save, at most, 800,000 tonnes of greenhouse gas emissions each year by getting commuters out of cars and onto public transit. That's a tiny fraction of the 270 million tonnes Canada must cut each year to meet its Kyoto target. -----Original Message----- From: vegchat-bounces at ottawaveg.com [mailto:vegchat-bounces at ottawaveg.com]On Behalf Of K Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 12:53 PM To: For all discussion not animal related (health, environment,etc). Called ", chat",because this is for all kinds of frequent interaction. Subject: Re: [VegChat] Vote earth The GREEN Party is the only party against the seal hunt. Both The Citizen and Jim Harris, leader of the GREENS, have stated that the GREENS stand a decent chance of getting elected here in Ottawa Centre, as well as in BC Gulf Islands. Interestingly, I noted an article which speaks of Harper's intention to give public transit users a tax credit, since they are using public transit as opposed to driving. I don't know how one could track this use to determine who is eligible, but it is the way to go. Reward those who walk, bike, take the bus, subway, etc. As you mention and has been widely stated during the election, emissions have increased during the Liberals reign. The NDP has always relied on support from large industries (unions), which are pollution causing, such as the automotive industry, although now Buzz Hargrove apparently is campaigning with Martin. K Edelweiss D'Andrea wrote: Vote EARTH this (and every) election. The following letter I wrote to the editor was published in the January 17 Ottawa Citizen: Leading parties bad news for planet The election of a Conservative government in Canada could jeopardize progress on urgently needed international cuts to greenhouse gas emissions. Stephen Harper re-iterated his party's intention to renege on Canada's obligations to the Kyoto Protocol in 2006. The Conservative party plans on "initiating a made-in-Canada plan to reduce greenhouse gas emissions," which would replace commitments to the Kyoto Protocol. The Liberals, in power for 12 years, have allowed greenhouse gas emission levels to increase steadily. Canada's emissions are 24 per cent higher than they were in 1990. Submissions for the Kyoto Protocol negotiation process begin this spring. If Canada, as chair to the conference of the parties, doesn't continue to endorse the Kyoto Protocol and start the negotiation process as planned, the process could stall. This is unbelievably bad news for the planet. According to World Wildlife Fund, David Suzuki Foundation, and Pembina Institute, a temperature increase of two degrees C above levels in the pre-industrial age will change the planet's climate dramatically, after which the temperature will spiral irreversibly upwards. The industrial world needs to reduce its greenhouse gas emissions so that levels stabilize and don't exceed 400 parts per million. Industrialized countries need to make the cuts well before 2050. A recent report published by Pembina Institute and David Suzuki Foundation says that industrialized countries must reduce emissions by 25 to 30 per cent by 2020 and by 85 to 90 per cent by 2050 (relative to 1990 levels). The report says, as an industrialized nation, Canada needs to reduce emissions to 25 per cent by 2020 relative to 1990 levels. This means that Canada has to reduce its emissions by 49 per cent over the next 16 years. In Canada, climate change is expected to result in water shortages, flooding of coastal areas, stress-related disorders caused by environmental migration, and extinction of the polar bear and other northern species. Edelweiss D'Andrea, BA, BSc edandrea at magma.ca ------------------- Greenpeace sent out a questionnaire to the 5 major federal parties asking them a series of questions about the environment and posted them here: http://www.greenpeace.ca/e/feature/elections2006 Sierra Club of Canada also compiled answers to an environmental questionnaire: http://www.sierraclub.ca/national/vote-canada/2006/index.html ------------------- Canadian Climate Coalition denounces Conservative Party for ducking the issues January 17, 2006 (Ottawa, Victoria, Winnipeg, Edmonton, Woodbridge, and Montreal) The Canadian Climate Coalition, a nation-wide network of groups working on climate action, sent a questionnaire to all five major parties to verify positions on the Kyoto Protocol. Only the Conservative Party refused to respond. "The purpose of the survey was to determine future actions to reduce greenhouse gases in Canada. Only the NDP and the Green Party were prepared to state specific targets for future action. The Liberals have committed in general terms to long term targets after launching the process to negotiate post-2012 emission reductions last month in Montreal," noted Brent R. Kopperson, Executive Director of the Windfall Ecology Centre. There is a growing consensus among scientists that global emissions must be reduced by 30% below 1990 levels by 2020 to avoid hitting a "tipping point" in the atmosphere of 400 parts per million carbon dioxide. "According to Mr. Harper's public statements, a Conservative Party government would ignore the first stage Kyoto commitment to reduce greenhouse gases by 6% below 1990 levels by 2012. Given the urgency of the need to reduce far more by 2020, the Conservative Party position represents a significant threat to progress in confronting climate change," said Gaile Whelan Enns of Manitoba Wildlands. "It appears that a Canadian government under Stephen Harper would move Canada more into the same camp as U.S. President George W. Bush," noted Kathryn Malloy, Executive Director of the British Columbia Chapter of Sierra Club of Canada. The main plank of the Conservative Party platform on climate, the tax deduction for transit passes is, according to the Canadian Climate Coalition, a gross abuse of funds and an unproductive boondoggle. "Harper's plan will cost 200 to 800 times more for each tonne of emissions than Canada's current Project Green, which was, in fact, 'made in Canada'," according to Guy Dauncey of the BC Sustainable Energy Association. "If this is the way that Harper's 'made in Canada' plan to reduce emissions begins, then he's certainly not a fiscal conservative!" See attached Response Grid to the Questions Posed to the five main parties by the Canadian Climate Coalition and the Backgrounder on the Conservative Party position on Climate Change. Please consult with the Coalition's website: www3.sympatico.ca/lothcol/Election2006ClimateCoalition/ --------------------------------- Find your next car at Yahoo! Canada Autos --------------------------------- Find your next car at Yahoo! Canada Autos -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ottawaveg.com/pipermail/vegchat/attachments/20060119/53e6e6c6/attachment.html From edandrea at magma.ca Thu Jan 19 18:15:17 2006 From: edandrea at magma.ca (Edelweiss D'Andrea) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 13:15:17 -0500 Subject: [VegChat] Vote earth In-Reply-To: <20060119165928.78955.qmail@web52702.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I'm worried about the Kyoto Protocol. The Kyoto Accord is crucial to getting climate change under control. David Suzuki Foundation co-authored a report that said unless industrialized countries reduce greenhouse gases by 30% by 2020 and by 80% by 2050, global warming will spiral out of control. The report summary is at http://www.davidsuzuki.org/files/climate/Ontario/Case_Deep_Reductions_Summar y.pdf and the report is at http://www.davidsuzuki.org/files/climate/Ontario/Case_Deep_Reductions.pdf. Harper re-iterated his intention in 2006 to jettison mandatory Kyoto targets and timelines for reducing greenhouse-gas emissions in favor of voluntary ones. -----Original Message----- From: vegchat-bounces at ottawaveg.com [mailto:vegchat-bounces at ottawaveg.com]On Behalf Of K Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 11:59 AM To: For all discussion not animal related (health, environment,etc). Called ", chat",because this is for all kinds of frequent interaction. Subject: RE: [VegChat] Vote earth Hello all, Since emissions have increased during the Liberals reign, I am not convinced that they would follow through on a $10 billion climate-change plan. Regardless, incentives to take public transit not only positively impact upon the environment, but reduces gridlock on the roads as well as noise pollution and less cars is safer for bikers. And for those who may bike or walk.....better health....less of a burden on our health care system... While 800,000 tonnes of greenhouse gas emissions may seem small in the larger scheme of things, I believe every little bit helps. If government takes the stance that a reduction of 800,000 tonnes is not effective, then why should a person bother to recycle, become a veg*n, etc. After all, how can just one person make a difference? I believe Dions' remarks are just another example of the Liberals attempts to attack the Conservatives. BTW, yesterday I mentioned Buzz Hargrove campaigning with Paul Martin. Last night Martin was engaged in a quite a bit of damage control trying to undo the damage caused by Hargrove as Hargrove told Quebeckers yesterday to vote Bloc instead of Conservative. So it would seem that Dion will nay say anything the Conservatives have to offer. As well, David Suzuki's "Nature Challenge" has always advocated that not driving is one of the top ten things that one can do to help the environment. I tend to give more credence to what Dr. Sukuki says than what Dion might speculate. Edelweiss D'Andrea wrote: Thanks for your feedback, K. I agree with most, but would like to mention that while subsidizing public transit sounds good, it's a not cost effective. The Conservatives would shift $2 billion from the Liberals' five-year, $10 billion climate-change plan to pay for the 16 per cent tax break on bus and subway passes. That's 20% of the climate change budget. Dion estimates that would save, at most, 800,000 tonnes of greenhouse gas emissions each year by getting commuters out of cars and onto public transit. That's a tiny fraction of the 270 million tonnes Canada must cut each year to meet its Kyoto target. -----Original Message----- From: vegchat-bounces at ottawaveg.com [mailto:vegchat-bounces at ottawaveg.com]On Behalf Of K Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 12:53 PM To: For all discussion not animal related (health, environment,etc). Called ", chat",because this is for all kinds of frequent interaction. Subject: Re: [VegChat] Vote earth The GREEN Party is the only party against the seal hunt. Both The Citizen and Jim Harris, leader of the GREENS, have stated that the GREENS stand a decent chance of getting elected here in Ottawa Centre, as well as in BC Gulf Islands. Interestingly, I noted an article which speaks of Harper's intention to give public transit users a tax credit, since they are using public transit as opposed to driving. I don't know how one could track this use to determine who is eligible, but it is the way to go. Reward those who walk, bike, take the bus, subway, etc. As you mention and has been widely stated during the election, emissions have increased during the Liberals reign. The NDP has always relied on support from large industries (unions), which are pollution causing, such as the automotive industry, although now Buzz Hargrove apparently is campaigning with Martin. K Edelweiss D'Andrea wrote: Vote EARTH this (and every) election. The following letter I wrote to the editor was published in the January 17 Ottawa Citizen: Leading parties bad news for planet The election of a Conservative government in Canada could jeopardize progress on urgently needed international cuts to greenhouse gas emissions. Stephen Harper re-iterated his party's intention to renege on Canada's obligations to the Kyoto Protocol in 2006. The Conservative party plans on "initiating a made-in-Canada plan to reduce greenhouse gas emissions," which would replace commitments to the Kyoto Protocol. The Liberals, in power for 12 years, have allowed greenhouse gas emission levels to increase steadily. Canada's emissions are 24 per cent higher than they were in 1990. Submissions for the Kyoto Protocol negotiation process begin this spring. If Canada, as chair to the conference of the parties, doesn't continue to endorse the Kyoto Protocol and start the negotiation process as planned, the process could stall. This is unbelievably bad news for the planet. According to World Wildlife Fund, David Suzuki Foundation, and Pembina Institute, a temperature increase of two degrees C above levels in the pre-industrial age will change the planet's climate dramatically, after which the temperature will spiral irreversibly upwards. The industrial world needs to reduce its greenhouse gas emissions so that levels stabilize and don't exceed 400 parts per million. Industrialized countries need to make the cuts well before 2050. A recent report published by Pembina Institute and David Suzuki Foundation says that industrialized countries must reduce emissions by 25 to 30 per cent by 2020 and by 85 to 90 per cent by 2050 (relative to 1990 levels). The report says, as an industrialized nation, Canada needs to reduce emissions to 25 per cent by 2020 relative to 1990 levels. This means that Canada has to reduce its emissions by 49 per cent over the next 16 years. In Canada, climate change is expected to result in water shortages, flooding of coastal areas, stress-related disorders caused by environmental migration, and extinction of the polar bear and other northern species. Edelweiss D'Andrea, BA, BSc edandrea at magma.ca ------------------- Greenpeace sent out a questionnaire to the 5 major federal parties asking them a series of questions about the environment and posted them here: http://www.greenpeace.ca/e/feature/elections2006 Sierra Club of Canada also compiled answers to an environmental questionnaire: http://www.sierraclub.ca/national/vote-canada/2006/index.html ------------------- Canadian Climate Coalition denounces Conservative Party for ducking the issues January 17, 2006 (Ottawa, Victoria, Winnipeg, Edmonton, Woodbridge, and Montreal) The Canadian Climate Coalition, a nation-wide network of groups working on climate action, sent a questionnaire to all five major parties to verify positions on the Kyoto Protocol. Only the Conservative Party refused to respond. "The purpose of the survey was to determine future actions to reduce greenhouse gases in Canada. Only the NDP and the Green Party were prepared to state specific targets for future action. The Liberals have committed in general terms to long term targets after launching the process to negotiate post-2012 emission reductions last month in Montreal," noted Brent R. Kopperson, Executive Director of the Windfall Ecology Centre. There is a growing consensus among scientists that global emissions must be reduced by 30% below 1990 levels by 2020 to avoid hitting a "tipping point" in the atmosphere of 400 parts per million carbon dioxide. "According to Mr. Harper's public statements, a Conservative Party government would ignore the first stage Kyoto commitment to reduce greenhouse gases by 6% below 1990 levels by 2012. Given the urgency of the need to reduce far more by 2020, the Conservative Party position represents a significant threat to progress in confronting climate change," said Gaile Whelan Enns of Manitoba Wildlands. "It appears that a Canadian government under Stephen Harper would move Canada more into the same camp as U.S. President George W. Bush," noted Kathryn Malloy, Executive Director of the British Columbia Chapter of Sierra Club of Canada. The main plank of the Conservative Party platform on climate, the tax deduction for transit passes is, according to the Canadian Climate Coalition, a gross abuse of funds and an unproductive boondoggle. "Harper's plan will cost 200 to 800 times more for each tonne of emissions than Canada's current Project Green, which was, in fact, 'made in Canada'," according to Guy Dauncey of the BC Sustainable Energy Association. "If this is the way that Harper's 'made in Canada' plan to reduce emissions begins, then he's certainly not a fiscal conservative!" See attached Response Grid to the Questions Posed to the five main parties by the Canadian Climate Coalition and the Backgrounder on the Conservative Party position on Climate Change. Please consult with the Coalition's website: www3.sympatico.ca/lothcol/Election2006ClimateCoalition/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Find your next car at Yahoo! Canada Autos ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Find your next car at Yahoo! Canada Autos -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ottawaveg.com/pipermail/vegchat/attachments/20060119/a55d0ac7/attachment.html From v at vaalea.com Thu Jan 19 23:49:10 2006 From: v at vaalea.com (vaalea) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 18:49:10 -0500 Subject: [VegChat] Vote earth - Enviromission References: <20060119170649.75291.qmail@web52711.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000e01c61d52$f42e0be0$6d00a8c0@v> Ok, If you want to hear about an "insane" green energy project.... I say insane because it sounds unbelievable.... to be built in Australia. Here are some notes: - It's been a while since I saw Sahara, but it reminded me of the solar plant in that movie. - tower in center is 1 km high... more than twice as tall as the Petronas Towers in Kuala Lumpar, and visible from 80 kilometres away. - the surrounding base of about 3.5 km diameter doubles as a greenhouse If you have high-speed internet: http://www.enviromission.com.au/project/video/video.htm Otherwise http://www.enviromission.com.au http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_chimney and of course google turns up lots of articles/news pieces as well. ----- Original Message ----- From: K To: For all discussion not animal related (health, environment,etc). Called ", chat",because this is for all kinds of frequent interaction. Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 12:06 PM Subject: Re: [VegChat] Vote earth Many of the streetcars in Toronto are electric..so they run silent as well. Thanks for the taxi stats. Something to push for. A hybrid facility in NFLD....good suggestion....how about wind turbines too. During an interview with CBC last week, Jim Harris, leader of the GREENS, talked about Quebec Liberal Leader Charest's plans to utilize wind energy, yet had to go to Norway and the US for the technology as there are no facilities in Canada. Wasted opportunity. On the negative side, many believe that windmills are a blight on the landscape and I have read that many birds crash into them so some areas at least have added lights to warn off birds. vaalea wrote: The Ottawa website says that they are trying to promote tele-commuting to cut down on traffic too.... but then they have all these laws surrounding working from home... like if you hire someone to work for you and they don't live there, you HAVE TO provide a parking space for them, even if they never drive/don't have a car. Perhaps it makes more sense in the suburbs and beyond, but in Ottawa Center it's a little ridiculous both with lack of space in general, and the fact that a good number of people in the Ottawa core rely on other modes of transportation other than driving. I personally like both working from home, and living close to my work. I had said before that I would like to see the public transportation changed over to "greener" vehicles (since they are running all day)...and now I read on the green party website: "4 HYBRID CARS Hybrid cars - which reclaim energy from braking - reduce gas consumption by 50 per cent over traditional autos of the same weight and size. The first group that should get these cars is taxi drivers. Taxis cover 10 times as many kilometres per year as do average cars, so converting the 25,000 taxis in Canada to be more fuel efficient would have a huge impact. I've done the calculations: this would save about 500,000,000 litres of gas a year. And it's good for business too. At current gas prices a hybrid taxi pays for itself in gas savings in just 1.5 years. On Oct. 29, 2004 the government of Canada was investing $100 million of taxpayers' money to support the production of old auto technology. Two weeks later, California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger was over in Japan, wooing Toyota and trying to get the first North American hybrid plant built in his state. So while the Canadian government is investing in the past, the Californian government is investing in the future. Why leave the jobs that will be expanding in the long term to California? We should work to locate a hybrid production facility right here, right now in Canada." http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:qeXqpyuDQP4J:www.greenparty.ca/page56.html+%22green+party%22+taxi+hybrid&hl=en ...they could put the production facility in the Maritimes and offer jobs to the fishermen instead of letting them club seals... =0P (yeah, I know the green party is also against the seal hunt) ----- Original Message ----- From: Edelweiss D'Andrea To: For all discussion not animal related (health, environment,etc). Called" chat" because this is for all kinds of frequent interaction. Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 10:02 PM Subject: RE: [VegChat] Vote earth Thanks for your feedback, K. I agree with most, but would like to mention that while subsidizing public transit sounds good, it's a not cost effective. The Conservatives would shift $2 billion from the Liberals' five-year, $10 billion climate-change plan to pay for the 16 per cent tax break on bus and subway passes. That's 20% of the climate change budget. Dion estimates that would save, at most, 800,000 tonnes of greenhouse gas emissions each year by getting commuters out of cars and onto public transit. That's a tiny fraction of the 270 million tonnes Canada must cut each year to meet its Kyoto target. -----Original Message----- From: vegchat-bounces at ottawaveg.com [mailto:vegchat-bounces at ottawaveg.com]On Behalf Of K Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 12:53 PM To: For all discussion not animal related (health, environment,etc). Called ", chat",because this is for all kinds of frequent interaction. Subject: Re: [VegChat] Vote earth The GREEN Party is the only party against the seal hunt. Both The Citizen and Jim Harris, leader of the GREENS, have stated that the GREENS stand a decent chance of getting elected here in Ottawa Centre, as well as in BC Gulf Islands. Interestingly, I noted an article which speaks of Harper's intention to give public transit users a tax credit, since they are using public transit as opposed to driving. I don't know how one could track this use to determine who is eligible, but it is the way to go. Reward those who walk, bike, take the bus, subway, etc. As you mention and has been widely stated during the election, emissions have increased during the Liberals reign. The NDP has always relied on support from large industries (unions), which are pollution causing, such as the automotive industry, although now Buzz Hargrove apparently is campaigning with Martin. K Edelweiss D'Andrea wrote: Vote EARTH this (and every) election. The following letter I wrote to the editor was published in the January 17 Ottawa Citizen: Leading parties bad news for planet The election of a Conservative government in Canada could jeopardize progress on urgently needed international cuts to greenhouse gas emissions. Stephen Harper re-iterated his party's intention to renege on Canada's obligations to the Kyoto Protocol in 2006. The Conservative party plans on "initiating a made-in-Canada plan to reduce greenhouse gas emissions," which would replace commitments to the Kyoto Protocol. The Liberals, in power for 12 years, have allowed greenhouse gas emission levels to increase steadily. Canada's emissions are 24 per cent higher than they were in 1990. Submissions for the Kyoto Protocol negotiation process begin this spring. If Canada, as chair to the conference of the parties, doesn't continue to endorse the Kyoto Protocol and start the negotiation process as planned, the process could stall. This is unbelievably bad news for the planet. According to World Wildlife Fund, David Suzuki Foundation, and Pembina Institute, a temperature increase of two degrees C above levels in the pre-industrial age will change the planet's climate dramatically, after which the temperature will spiral irreversibly upwards. The industrial world needs to reduce its greenhouse gas emissions so that levels stabilize and don't exceed 400 parts per million. Industrialized countries need to make the cuts well before 2050. A recent report published by Pembina Institute and David Suzuki Foundation says that industrialized countries must reduce emissions by 25 to 30 per cent by 2020 and by 85 to 90 per cent by 2050 (relative to 1990 levels). The report says, as an industrialized nation, Canada needs to reduce emissions to 25 per cent by 2020 relative to 1990 levels. This means that Canada has to reduce its emissions by 49 per cent over the next 16 years. In Canada, climate change is expected to result in water shortages, flooding of coastal areas, stress-related disorders caused by environmental migration, and extinction of the polar bear and other northern species. Edelweiss D'Andrea, BA, BSc edandrea at magma.ca ------------------- Greenpeace sent out a questionnaire to the 5 major federal parties asking them a series of questions about the environment and posted them here: http://www.greenpeace.ca/e/feature/elections2006 Sierra Club of Canada also compiled answers to an environmental questionnaire: http://www.sierraclub.ca/national/vote-canada/2006/index.html ------------------- Canadian Climate Coalition denounces Conservative Party for ducking the issues January 17, 2006 (Ottawa, Victoria, Winnipeg, Edmonton, Woodbridge, and Montreal) The Canadian Climate Coalition, a nation-wide network of groups working on climate action, sent a questionnaire to all five major parties to verify positions on the Kyoto Protocol. Only the Conservative Party refused to respond. "The purpose of the survey was to determine future actions to reduce greenhouse gases in Canada. Only the NDP and the Green Party were prepared to state specific targets for future action. The Liberals have committed in general terms to long term targets after launching the process to negotiate post-2012 emission reductions last month in Montreal," noted Brent R. Kopperson, Executive Director of the Windfall Ecology Centre. There is a growing consensus among scientists that global emissions must be reduced by 30% below 1990 levels by 2020 to avoid hitting a "tipping point" in the atmosphere of 400 parts per million carbon dioxide. "According to Mr. Harper's public statements, a Conservative Party government would ignore the first stage Kyoto commitment to reduce greenhouse gases by 6% below 1990 levels by 2012. Given the urgency of the need to reduce far more by 2020, the Conservative Party position represents a significant threat to progress in confronting climate change," said Gaile Whelan Enns of Manitoba Wildlands. "It appears that a Canadian government under Stephen Harper would move Canada more into the same camp as U.S. President George W. Bush," noted Kathryn Malloy, Executive Director of the British Columbia Chapter of Sierra Club of Canada. The main plank of the Conservative Party platform on climate, the tax deduction for transit passes is, according to the Canadian Climate Coalition, a gross abuse of funds and an unproductive boondoggle. "Harper's plan will cost 200 to 800 times more for each tonne of emissions than Canada's current Project Green, which was, in fact, 'made in Canada'," according to Guy Dauncey of the BC Sustainable Energy Association. "If this is the way that Harper's 'made in Canada' plan to reduce emissions begins, then he's certainly not a fiscal conservative!" See attached Response Grid to the Questions Posed to the five main parties by the Canadian Climate Coalition and the Backgrounder on the Conservative Party position on Climate Change. Please consult with the Coalition's website: www3.sympatico.ca/lothcol/Election2006ClimateCoalition/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Find your next car at Yahoo! Canada Autos ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Find your next car at Yahoo! Canada Autos -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ottawaveg.com/pipermail/vegchat/attachments/20060119/3b8e8c45/attachment.html From v at vaalea.com Mon Jan 23 03:01:42 2006 From: v at vaalea.com (vaalea) Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 22:01:42 -0500 Subject: [VegChat] couple things Message-ID: <1fb101c61fc9$5840ff20$6d00a8c0@v> Hey guys 1st of all, the yves veggie lunch meats and pepperoni are on sale at Hartmans.... 1.99(save 1.00) [stock up on 10... save $10 ;0) ] =0) Secondly, If you guys want to send me mail individually... go for it, but don't expect me to forward it... I most likely won't. If you want the whole list to get it, then make sure you send it to the list..... vegchat at ottawaveg.com and if you happen to want to have something sent anonymously for some reason, then send me an email and at the very top write:"Please send to list anonymously", and I'll think about it. Just want to make that clear again so I don't have to feel bad for not forwarding people's emails to everyone... and trying to guess if they want that or not. =0) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ottawaveg.com/pipermail/vegchat/attachments/20060122/4e507e9b/attachment.html From human at magma.ca Fri Jan 20 06:12:32 2006 From: human at magma.ca (human) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 01:12:32 -0500 Subject: [VegChat] Vote earth - Enviromission References: <20060119170649.75291.qmail@web52711.mail.yahoo.com> <000e01c61d52$f42e0be0$6d00a8c0@v> Message-ID: <006801c61d88$80be9810$6401a8c0@uxmal> We must vote GREEN, simply to send a message to the ruling power. We need to breath clean air, drink clean water, eat organic foods. Otherwise we get sick, have disease, and die (as is seen in modern society). Let's send a message to the party that wins that our earth is important (we'll keep to ourselves the fact that acting this way is the only ethical choice). m ----- Original Message ----- From: vaalea To: For all discussion not animal related (health, environment,etc). Called" chat" because this is for all kinds of frequent interaction. Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 6:49 PM Subject: Re: [VegChat] Vote earth - Enviromission Ok, If you want to hear about an "insane" green energy project.... I say insane because it sounds unbelievable.... to be built in Australia. Here are some notes: - It's been a while since I saw Sahara, but it reminded me of the solar plant in that movie. - tower in center is 1 km high... more than twice as tall as the Petronas Towers in Kuala Lumpar, and visible from 80 kilometres away. - the surrounding base of about 3.5 km diameter doubles as a greenhouse If you have high-speed internet: http://www.enviromission.com.au/project/video/video.htm Otherwise http://www.enviromission.com.au http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_chimney and of course google turns up lots of articles/news pieces as well. ----- Original Message ----- From: K To: For all discussion not animal related (health, environment,etc). Called ", chat",because this is for all kinds of frequent interaction. Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 12:06 PM Subject: Re: [VegChat] Vote earth Many of the streetcars in Toronto are electric..so they run silent as well. Thanks for the taxi stats. Something to push for. A hybrid facility in NFLD....good suggestion....how about wind turbines too. During an interview with CBC last week, Jim Harris, leader of the GREENS, talked about Quebec Liberal Leader Charest's plans to utilize wind energy, yet had to go to Norway and the US for the technology as there are no facilities in Canada. Wasted opportunity. On the negative side, many believe that windmills are a blight on the landscape and I have read that many birds crash into them so some areas at least have added lights to warn off birds. vaalea wrote: The Ottawa website says that they are trying to promote tele-commuting to cut down on traffic too.... but then they have all these laws surrounding working from home... like if you hire someone to work for you and they don't live there, you HAVE TO provide a parking space for them, even if they never drive/don't have a car. Perhaps it makes more sense in the suburbs and beyond, but in Ottawa Center it's a little ridiculous both with lack of space in general, and the fact that a good number of people in the Ottawa core rely on other modes of transportation other than driving. I personally like both working from home, and living close to my work. I had said before that I would like to see the public transportation changed over to "greener" vehicles (since they are running all day)...and now I read on the green party website: "4 HYBRID CARS Hybrid cars - which reclaim energy from braking - reduce gas consumption by 50 per cent over traditional autos of the same weight and size. The first group that should get these cars is taxi drivers. Taxis cover 10 times as many kilometres per year as do average cars, so converting the 25,000 taxis in Canada to be more fuel efficient would have a huge impact. I've done the calculations: this would save about 500,000,000 litres of gas a year. And it's good for business too. At current gas prices a hybrid taxi pays for itself in gas savings in just 1.5 years. On Oct. 29, 2004 the government of Canada was investing $100 million of taxpayers' money to support the production of old auto technology. Two weeks later, California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger was over in Japan, wooing Toyota and trying to get the first North American hybrid plant built in his state. So while the Canadian government is investing in the past, the Californian government is investing in the future. Why leave the jobs that will be expanding in the long term to California? We should work to locate a hybrid production facility right here, right now in Canada." http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:qeXqpyuDQP4J:www.greenparty.ca/page56.html+%22green+party%22+taxi+hybrid&hl=en ...they could put the production facility in the Maritimes and offer jobs to the fishermen instead of letting them club seals... =0P (yeah, I know the green party is also against the seal hunt) ----- Original Message ----- From: Edelweiss D'Andrea To: For all discussion not animal related (health, environment,etc). Called" chat" because this is for all kinds of frequent interaction. Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 10:02 PM Subject: RE: [VegChat] Vote earth Thanks for your feedback, K. I agree with most, but would like to mention that while subsidizing public transit sounds good, it's a not cost effective. The Conservatives would shift $2 billion from the Liberals' five-year, $10 billion climate-change plan to pay for the 16 per cent tax break on bus and subway passes. That's 20% of the climate change budget. Dion estimates that would save, at most, 800,000 tonnes of greenhouse gas emissions each year by getting commuters out of cars and onto public transit. That's a tiny fraction of the 270 million tonnes Canada must cut each year to meet its Kyoto target. -----Original Message----- From: vegchat-bounces at ottawaveg.com [mailto:vegchat-bounces at ottawaveg.com]On Behalf Of K Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 12:53 PM To: For all discussion not animal related (health, environment,etc). Called ", chat",because this is for all kinds of frequent interaction. Subject: Re: [VegChat] Vote earth The GREEN Party is the only party against the seal hunt. Both The Citizen and Jim Harris, leader of the GREENS, have stated that the GREENS stand a decent chance of getting elected here in Ottawa Centre, as well as in BC Gulf Islands. Interestingly, I noted an article which speaks of Harper's intention to give public transit users a tax credit, since they are using public transit as opposed to driving. I don't know how one could track this use to determine who is eligible, but it is the way to go. Reward those who walk, bike, take the bus, subway, etc. As you mention and has been widely stated during the election, emissions have increased during the Liberals reign. The NDP has always relied on support from large industries (unions), which are pollution causing, such as the automotive industry, although now Buzz Hargrove apparently is campaigning with Martin. K Edelweiss D'Andrea wrote: Vote EARTH this (and every) election. The following letter I wrote to the editor was published in the January 17 Ottawa Citizen: Leading parties bad news for planet The election of a Conservative government in Canada could jeopardize progress on urgently needed international cuts to greenhouse gas emissions. Stephen Harper re-iterated his party's intention to renege on Canada's obligations to the Kyoto Protocol in 2006. The Conservative party plans on "initiating a made-in-Canada plan to reduce greenhouse gas emissions," which would replace commitments to the Kyoto Protocol. The Liberals, in power for 12 years, have allowed greenhouse gas emission levels to increase steadily. Canada's emissions are 24 per cent higher than they were in 1990. Submissions for the Kyoto Protocol negotiation process begin this spring. If Canada, as chair to the conference of the parties, doesn't continue to endorse the Kyoto Protocol and start the negotiation process as planned, the process could stall. This is unbelievably bad news for the planet. According to World Wildlife Fund, David Suzuki Foundation, and Pembina Institute, a temperature increase of two degrees C above levels in the pre-industrial age will change the planet's climate dramatically, after which the temperature will spiral irreversibly upwards. The industrial world needs to reduce its greenhouse gas emissions so that levels stabilize and don't exceed 400 parts per million. Industrialized countries need to make the cuts well before 2050. A recent report published by Pembina Institute and David Suzuki Foundation says that industrialized countries must reduce emissions by 25 to 30 per cent by 2020 and by 85 to 90 per cent by 2050 (relative to 1990 levels). The report says, as an industrialized nation, Canada needs to reduce emissions to 25 per cent by 2020 relative to 1990 levels. This means that Canada has to reduce its emissions by 49 per cent over the next 16 years. In Canada, climate change is expected to result in water shortages, flooding of coastal areas, stress-related disorders caused by environmental migration, and extinction of the polar bear and other northern species. Edelweiss D'Andrea, BA, BSc edandrea at magma.ca ------------------- Greenpeace sent out a questionnaire to the 5 major federal parties asking them a series of questions about the environment and posted them here: http://www.greenpeace.ca/e/feature/elections2006 Sierra Club of Canada also compiled answers to an environmental questionnaire: http://www.sierraclub.ca/national/vote-canada/2006/index.html ------------------- Canadian Climate Coalition denounces Conservative Party for ducking the issues January 17, 2006 (Ottawa, Victoria, Winnipeg, Edmonton, Woodbridge, and Montreal) The Canadian Climate Coalition, a nation-wide network of groups working on climate action, sent a questionnaire to all five major parties to verify positions on the Kyoto Protocol. Only the Conservative Party refused to respond. "The purpose of the survey was to determine future actions to reduce greenhouse gases in Canada. Only the NDP and the Green Party were prepared to state specific targets for future action. The Liberals have committed in general terms to long term targets after launching the process to negotiate post-2012 emission reductions last month in Montreal," noted Brent R. Kopperson, Executive Director of the Windfall Ecology Centre. There is a growing consensus among scientists that global emissions must be reduced by 30% below 1990 levels by 2020 to avoid hitting a "tipping point" in the atmosphere of 400 parts per million carbon dioxide. "According to Mr. Harper's public statements, a Conservative Party government would ignore the first stage Kyoto commitment to reduce greenhouse gases by 6% below 1990 levels by 2012. Given the urgency of the need to reduce far more by 2020, the Conservative Party position represents a significant threat to progress in confronting climate change," said Gaile Whelan Enns of Manitoba Wildlands. "It appears that a Canadian government under Stephen Harper would move Canada more into the same camp as U.S. President George W. Bush," noted Kathryn Malloy, Executive Director of the British Columbia Chapter of Sierra Club of Canada. The main plank of the Conservative Party platform on climate, the tax deduction for transit passes is, according to the Canadian Climate Coalition, a gross abuse of funds and an unproductive boondoggle. "Harper's plan will cost 200 to 800 times more for each tonne of emissions than Canada's current Project Green, which was, in fact, 'made in Canada'," according to Guy Dauncey of the BC Sustainable Energy Association. "If this is the way that Harper's 'made in Canada' plan to reduce emissions begins, then he's certainly not a fiscal conservative!" See attached Response Grid to the Questions Posed to the five main parties by the Canadian Climate Coalition and the Backgrounder on the Conservative Party position on Climate Change. Please consult with the Coalition's website: www3.sympatico.ca/lothcol/Election2006ClimateCoalition/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Find your next car at Yahoo! Canada Autos ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Find your next car at Yahoo! Canada Autos -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ottawaveg.com/pipermail/vegchat/attachments/20060120/83fa8327/attachment.html From jdunlop at connect.carleton.ca Mon Jan 23 03:18:29 2006 From: jdunlop at connect.carleton.ca (Jayme Dunlop) Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 22:18:29 -0500 (EST) Subject: [VegChat] Vote earth Message-ID: <6592875.1137986309975.JavaMail.jdunlop@connect.carleton.ca> I read an article here in Toronto (so sue me, I don't live in Ottawa anymore :]) on the prospects of the monthly bus pass tax break. The TTC said that if they were provided 20$ to reduce the monthly pass, they would simply raise the price of a monthly pass to offset the taxbreak. What would we get? Well nothing, no change, zip. I'm sure allot of other transit systems would act accordingly. Don't forget to rock the vote tomorrow, i'm sure most polls will be open from 9am-9pm. Go to: http://www.elections.ca/scripts/pss/voting.aspx?L=e&ED=35062&EV=25&EV_TYPE=1&PC=&Prov=ON&ProvID=35&MapID=&QID=3&PageID=0&TPageID= to find the location in your area. Don't forget, even if your not registered, you can still walk in and vote (don't forget your photo id and a piece of mail if your id doesn't have the proper address). Edelweiss D'Andrea wrote: >Thanks for your feedback, K. > >I agree with most, but would like to mention that while subsidizing public >transit sounds good, it's a not cost effective. > >The Conservatives would shift $2 billion from the Liberals' five-year, $10 >billion climate-change plan to pay for the 16 per cent tax break on bus and >subway passes. That's 20% of the climate change budget. > >Dion estimates that would save, at most, 800,000 tonnes of greenhouse gas >emissions each year by getting commuters out of cars and onto public >transit. That's a tiny fraction of the 270 million tonnes Canada must cut >each year to meet its Kyoto target. > -----Original Message----- > From: vegchat-bounces at ottawaveg.com >[mailto:vegchat-bounces at ottawaveg.com]On Behalf Of K > Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 12:53 PM > To: For all discussion not animal related (health, environment,etc). >Called ", chat",because this is for all kinds of frequent >interaction. > Subject: Re: [VegChat] Vote earth > > > The GREEN Party is the only party against the seal hunt. > > Both The Citizen and Jim Harris, leader of the GREENS, have stated that >the GREENS stand a decent chance of getting elected here in Ottawa Centre, >as well as in BC Gulf Islands. > > Interestingly, I noted an article which speaks of Harper's intention to >give public transit users a tax credit, since they are using public transit >as opposed to driving. I don't know how one could track this use to >determine who is eligible, but it is the way to go. Reward those who walk, >bike, take the bus, subway, etc. > > As you mention and has been widely stated during the election, emissions >have increased during the Liberals reign. The NDP has always relied on >support from large industries (unions), which are pollution causing, such as >the automotive industry, although now Buzz Hargrove apparently is >campaigning with Martin. > > K > > Edelweiss D'Andrea wrote: > Vote EARTH this (and every) election. > > The following letter I wrote to the editor was published in the January >17 Ottawa Citizen: > Leading parties bad news for planet > > The election of a Conservative government in Canada could jeopardize >progress on urgently needed international cuts to greenhouse gas emissions. > > Stephen Harper re-iterated his party's intention to renege on Canada's >obligations to the Kyoto Protocol in 2006. The Conservative party plans on >"initiating a made-in-Canada plan to reduce greenhouse gas emissions," which >would replace commitments to the Kyoto Protocol. > > The Liberals, in power for 12 years, have allowed greenhouse gas >emission levels to increase steadily. Canada's emissions are 24 per cent >higher than they were in 1990. > > Submissions for the Kyoto Protocol negotiation process begin this >spring. If Canada, as chair to the conference of the parties, doesn't >continue to endorse the Kyoto Protocol and start the negotiation process as >planned, the process could stall. > > This is unbelievably bad news for the planet. > > According to World Wildlife Fund, David Suzuki Foundation, and Pembina >Institute, a temperature increase of two degrees C above levels in the >pre-industrial age will change the planet's climate dramatically, after >which the temperature will spiral irreversibly upwards. The industrial world >needs to reduce its greenhouse gas emissions so that levels stabilize and >don't exceed 400 parts per million. Industrialized countries need to make >the cuts well before 2050. > > A recent report published by Pembina Institute and David Suzuki >Foundation says that industrialized countries must reduce emissions by 25 to >30 per cent by 2020 and by 85 to 90 per cent by 2050 (relative to 1990 >levels). > > The report says, as an industrialized nation, Canada needs to reduce >emissions to 25 per cent by 2020 relative to 1990 levels. This means that >Canada has to reduce its emissions by 49 per cent over the next 16 years. > > In Canada, climate change is expected to result in water shortages, >flooding of coastal areas, stress-related disorders caused by environmental >migration, and extinction of the polar bear and other northern species. > > Edelweiss D'Andrea, BA, BSc > edandrea at magma.ca > > ------------------- > > Greenpeace sent out a questionnaire to the 5 major federal parties >asking them a series of questions about the environment and posted them >here: > http://www.greenpeace.ca/e/feature/elections2006 > > > Sierra Club of Canada also compiled answers to an environmental >questionnaire: http://www.sierraclub.ca/national/vote-canada/2006/index.html > > > ------------------- > > > Canadian Climate Coalition denounces Conservative Party for ducking the >issues > > January 17, 2006 > (Ottawa, Victoria, Winnipeg, Edmonton, Woodbridge, and Montreal) > > The Canadian Climate Coalition, a nation-wide network of groups working >on climate action, sent a questionnaire to all five major parties to verify >positions on the Kyoto Protocol. Only the Conservative Party refused to >respond. > > "The purpose of the survey was to determine future actions to reduce >greenhouse gases in Canada. Only the NDP and the Green Party were prepared >to state specific targets for future action. The Liberals have committed in >general terms to long term targets after launching the process to negotiate >post-2012 emission reductions last month in Montreal," noted Brent R. >Kopperson, Executive Director of the Windfall Ecology Centre. > > There is a growing consensus among scientists that global emissions must >be reduced by 30% below 1990 levels by 2020 to avoid hitting a "tipping >point" in the atmosphere of 400 parts per million carbon dioxide. > > "According to Mr. Harper's public statements, a Conservative Party >government would ignore the first stage Kyoto commitment to reduce >greenhouse gases by 6% below 1990 levels by 2012. Given the urgency of the >need to reduce far more by 2020, the Conservative Party position represents >a significant threat to progress in confronting climate change," said Gaile >Whelan Enns of Manitoba Wildlands. > > "It appears that a Canadian government under Stephen Harper would move >Canada more into the same camp as U.S. President George W. Bush," noted >Kathryn Malloy, Executive Director of the British Columbia Chapter of Sierra >Club of Canada. > > The main plank of the Conservative Party platform on climate, the tax >deduction for transit passes is, according to the Canadian Climate >Coalition, a gross abuse of funds and an unproductive boondoggle. > > "Harper's plan will cost 200 to 800 times more for each tonne of >emissions than Canada's current Project Green, which was, in fact, 'made in >Canada'," according to Guy Dauncey of the BC Sustainable Energy Association. >"If this is the way that Harper's 'made in Canada' plan to reduce emissions >begins, then he's certainly not a fiscal conservative!" > > See attached Response Grid to the Questions Posed to the five main >parties by the Canadian Climate Coalition and the Backgrounder on the >Conservative Party position on Climate Change. Please consult with the >Coalition's website: www3.sympatico.ca/lothcol/Election2006ClimateCoalition/ > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---- >-- > Find your next car at Yahoo! Canada Autos > From kyle.denbak at sympatico.ca Mon Jan 23 03:07:37 2006 From: kyle.denbak at sympatico.ca (Kyle den Bak) Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 22:07:37 -0500 Subject: [VegChat] Top 10 Reasons to Vote Green on Monday Message-ID: > Message from the Green Party of Canada > Top 10 Reasons to Vote Green on Monday > I want to feel good about my vote. I want to vote for someone, not > against someone. > The Green Party has the best platform. The Green Party platform has > earned positive reviews in the media, has done well under analysis by > non-partisan organizations. > My great grandchildren will be proud of me. I want them to have a > sustainable future, a green economy, and better democracy. > I want my vote to have an impact on the legislative agenda of the next > parliament. MPs will spend the next session trying to look good for > the next election, so they will be looking at who they lost votes to. > Vote Green and Green priorities will set the agenda. > People are saying good things about the Green Party. > I am nobody's fool. I refuse to let Martin, Harper, Layton or Duceppe > think he can scare me into "strategically" voting for him just for not > being the worst among them. > Green Parties around the world get elected, govern countries, and make > the world a better place. > Whoever I vote for will get $ 1.75 in public funding, per vote, per > year. I feel good about the Green Party putting it to good use > defending my values. > I am socially progressive, fiscally responsible, and committed to > environmental sustainability - just like the Green Party. > One hundred and thirty nine years of Liberal and Conservative > governments. Albert Einstein said it best: "The significant problems > of our time are not going to be solved by the same level of thinking > that got us into them." > Click here for information on how, where, and when to vote in the > federal election on Monday, January 23. > Actually there are plenty of other reasons to vote for the Green Party. > > Information: info at greenparty.ca / Phone Toll-free: 1-866-868-3447 > Join | Donate | Volunteer | Subscribe | Unsubscribe | Send to a friend > Authorized by the Official Agent of the Green Party of Canada > From v at vaalea.com Mon Jan 23 15:04:52 2006 From: v at vaalea.com (vaalea) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 10:04:52 -0500 Subject: [VegChat] From Michael Moore, to Canada Message-ID: <208601c6202e$5d347060$6d00a8c0@v> One last one for election day: http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/message/index.php?id=192 And for meetups... Don't forget to RSVP for the next meetup... THIS SATURDAY: http://www.caribbeanflavours.net/ We will buy different kinds and split them, rather than be stuck with one large that tastes all the same. Waited for lunch over an hour last time?? Be prepared. When: Saturday, January 28, 2006, 12:00 PM Where: Caribbean Flavours 881 Somerset Street West between Rochester and Preston Ottawa , ON K1R 6R6 (613) 237-9981 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ottawaveg.com/pipermail/vegchat/attachments/20060123/9aa21190/attachment.html From pekieca at yahoo.com Mon Jan 23 16:30:00 2006 From: pekieca at yahoo.com (K) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 11:30:00 -0500 (EST) Subject: [VegChat] Top 10 Reasons to Vote Green on Monday In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060123163000.44701.qmail@web52712.mail.yahoo.com> And wasn't it the GREEN Party in Germany that kept that country out of the war (invasion) of Iraq? And aren't we supposed to such a great Western nation, fair, compassionate, etc. etc. etc. but we do not have a single GREEN member of Parliament!!! (yet). And the GREEN way is the forward looking way for our economy and industries. Jim Harris gives example after example of how everyone wins by being energy efficient. In the first oil crisis in the early 1970's, Japan which is 100% dependent on foreign oil imports, realized the vulnerability of its economy was when the price of oil quadrupled in just 18 months. So Japan embarked on the most aggressive energy conservation program in the country's and the world's history. And the net effect? Japan increased its energy efficiency in its heavy industries ? petrochemical, cement dramatically. The steel industry for instance, increased its efficiency by 50% in following years. And the effect? Japan's steel industry was 41% more energy efficient than US steelmakers. The impact? 230,000 US steelmakers lost their work. So was energy efficiency a threat or a huge competitive advantage? And many Albertans support the GREEN Party. The oil and gas companies are not poor. They should not be receiving a single penny of taxpayers' subsidies and this is how, in fact, we can say that the GREEN Party is more fiscally responsible than the Conservative party who would continue those subsidies, because, of course, its core of support is Albertan-based oil companies. And it's paradoxical that the GREENS second highest support is in Alberta - the second highest province. And, in fact, in oil towns GREENs have had its highest results in Alberta, because do you know oil and gas workers know that the oil and gas industry has to change. They see the waste; they see the need for efficiency. And they are concerned about their children's future. And so paradoxically, the highest support for the GREEN Party is in the oil patch. That is people coming over and standing up, standing up for the future of their children. Note that British Petroleum has renamed itself in its advertising, "beyond petroleum". And the chairman proudly admits that 150 million pounds a year has been saved by BP in meeting its Kyoto targets eight years in advance and when you do the math, that's $2 billion Canadian. So - VOTE GREEN!!! K Kyle den Bak wrote: > Message from the Green Party of Canada > Top 10 Reasons to Vote Green on Monday > I want to feel good about my vote. I want to vote for someone, not > against someone. > The Green Party has the best platform. The Green Party platform has > earned positive reviews in the media, has done well under analysis by > non-partisan organizations. > My great grandchildren will be proud of me. I want them to have a > sustainable future, a green economy, and better democracy. > I want my vote to have an impact on the legislative agenda of the next > parliament. MPs will spend the next session trying to look good for > the next election, so they will be looking at who they lost votes to. > Vote Green and Green priorities will set the agenda. > People are saying good things about the Green Party. > I am nobody's fool. I refuse to let Martin, Harper, Layton or Duceppe > think he can scare me into "strategically" voting for him just for not > being the worst among them. > Green Parties around the world get elected, govern countries, and make > the world a better place. > Whoever I vote for will get $ 1.75 in public funding, per vote, per > year. I feel good about the Green Party putting it to good use > defending my values. > I am socially progressive, fiscally responsible, and committed to > environmental sustainability - just like the Green Party. > One hundred and thirty nine years of Liberal and Conservative > governments. Albert Einstein said it best: "The significant problems > of our time are not going to be solved by the same level of thinking > that got us into them." > Click here for information on how, where, and when to vote in the > federal election on Monday, January 23. > Actually there are plenty of other reasons to vote for the Green Party. > > Information: info at greenparty.ca / Phone Toll-free: 1-866-868-3447 > Join | Donate | Volunteer | Subscribe | Unsubscribe | Send to a friend > Authorized by the Official Agent of the Green Party of Canada > --------------------------------- Find your next car at Yahoo! Canada Autos -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ottawaveg.com/pipermail/vegchat/attachments/20060123/e0a19a46/attachment.html From pekieca at yahoo.com Mon Jan 23 16:35:08 2006 From: pekieca at yahoo.com (K) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 11:35:08 -0500 (EST) Subject: [VegChat] Vote earth In-Reply-To: <6592875.1137986309975.JavaMail.jdunlop@connect.carleton.ca> Message-ID: <20060123163508.13371.qmail@web52710.mail.yahoo.com> That seems odd....which paper did you read that in? In any event, you can take the TTC in Toronto for a lower fare than the bus in Ottawa. Take the subway all the way from Islington to Union station and it costs less than taking the Ottawa bus from Elgin and Lisgar to Bank and First. Plus the subway is every few minutes as opposed to every half hour bus service in a lot of Ottawa. Terrible public transit here. Of course, population here a mere fraction of what it is in Toronto the Good. In Denver, the electric streetcars run every few minutes...for free! And that is in Colorado. Jayme Dunlop wrote: I read an article here in Toronto (so sue me, I don't live in Ottawa anymore :]) on the prospects of the monthly bus pass tax break. The TTC said that if they were provided 20$ to reduce the monthly pass, they would simply raise the price of a monthly pass to offset the taxbreak. What would we get? Well nothing, no change, zip. I'm sure allot of other transit systems would act accordingly. Don't forget to rock the vote tomorrow, i'm sure most polls will be open from 9am-9pm. Go to: http://www.elections.ca/scripts/pss/voting.aspx?L=e&ED=35062&EV=25&EV_TYPE=1&PC=&Prov=ON&ProvID=35&MapID=&QID=3&PageID=0&TPageID= to find the location in your area. Don't forget, even if your not registered, you can still walk in and vote (don't forget your photo id and a piece of mail if your id doesn't have the proper address). Edelweiss D'Andrea wrote: >Thanks for your feedback, K. > >I agree with most, but would like to mention that while subsidizing public >transit sounds good, it's a not cost effective. > >The Conservatives would shift $2 billion from the Liberals' five-year, $10 >billion climate-change plan to pay for the 16 per cent tax break on bus and >subway passes. That's 20% of the climate change budget. > >Dion estimates that would save, at most, 800,000 tonnes of greenhouse gas >emissions each year by getting commuters out of cars and onto public >transit. That's a tiny fraction of the 270 million tonnes Canada must cut >each year to meet its Kyoto target. > -----Original Message----- > From: vegchat-bounces at ottawaveg.com >[mailto:vegchat-bounces at ottawaveg.com]On Behalf Of K > Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 12:53 PM > To: For all discussion not animal related (health, environment,etc). >Called ", chat",because this is for all kinds of frequent >interaction. > Subject: Re: [VegChat] Vote earth > > > The GREEN Party is the only party against the seal hunt. > > Both The Citizen and Jim Harris, leader of the GREENS, have stated that >the GREENS stand a decent chance of getting elected here in Ottawa Centre, >as well as in BC Gulf Islands. > > Interestingly, I noted an article which speaks of Harper's intention to >give public transit users a tax credit, since they are using public transit >as opposed to driving. I don't know how one could track this use to >determine who is eligible, but it is the way to go. Reward those who walk, >bike, take the bus, subway, etc. > > As you mention and has been widely stated during the election, emissions >have increased during the Liberals reign. The NDP has always relied on >support from large industries (unions), which are pollution causing, such as >the automotive industry, although now Buzz Hargrove apparently is >campaigning with Martin. > > K > > Edelweiss D'Andrea wrote: > Vote EARTH this (and every) election. > > The following letter I wrote to the editor was published in the January >17 Ottawa Citizen: > Leading parties bad news for planet > > The election of a Conservative government in Canada could jeopardize >progress on urgently needed international cuts to greenhouse gas emissions. > > Stephen Harper re-iterated his party's intention to renege on Canada's >obligations to the Kyoto Protocol in 2006. The Conservative party plans on >"initiating a made-in-Canada plan to reduce greenhouse gas emissions," which >would replace commitments to the Kyoto Protocol. > > The Liberals, in power for 12 years, have allowed greenhouse gas >emission levels to increase steadily. Canada's emissions are 24 per cent >higher than they were in 1990. > > Submissions for the Kyoto Protocol negotiation process begin this >spring. If Canada, as chair to the conference of the parties, doesn't >continue to endorse the Kyoto Protocol and start the negotiation process as >planned, the process could stall. > > This is unbelievably bad news for the planet. > > According to World Wildlife Fund, David Suzuki Foundation, and Pembina >Institute, a temperature increase of two degrees C above levels in the >pre-industrial age will change the planet's climate dramatically, after >which the temperature will spiral irreversibly upwards. The industrial world >needs to reduce its greenhouse gas emissions so that levels stabilize and >don't exceed 400 parts per million. Industrialized countries need to make >the cuts well before 2050. > > A recent report published by Pembina Institute and David Suzuki >Foundation says that industrialized countries must reduce emissions by 25 to >30 per cent by 2020 and by 85 to 90 per cent by 2050 (relative to 1990 >levels). > > The report says, as an industrialized nation, Canada needs to reduce >emissions to 25 per cent by 2020 relative to 1990 levels. This means that >Canada has to reduce its emissions by 49 per cent over the next 16 years. > > In Canada, climate change is expected to result in water shortages, >flooding of coastal areas, stress-related disorders caused by environmental >migration, and extinction of the polar bear and other northern species. > > Edelweiss D'Andrea, BA, BSc > edandrea at magma.ca > > ------------------- > > Greenpeace sent out a questionnaire to the 5 major federal parties >asking them a series of questions about the environment and posted them >here: > http://www.greenpeace.ca/e/feature/elections2006 > > > Sierra Club of Canada also compiled answers to an environmental >questionnaire: http://www.sierraclub.ca/national/vote-canada/2006/index.html > > > ------------------- > > > Canadian Climate Coalition denounces Conservative Party for ducking the >issues > > January 17, 2006 > (Ottawa, Victoria, Winnipeg, Edmonton, Woodbridge, and Montreal) > > The Canadian Climate Coalition, a nation-wide network of groups working >on climate action, sent a questionnaire to all five major parties to verify >positions on the Kyoto Protocol. Only the Conservative Party refused to >respond. > > "The purpose of the survey was to determine future actions to reduce >greenhouse gases in Canada. Only the NDP and the Green Party were prepared >to state specific targets for future action. The Liberals have committed in >general terms to long term targets after launching the process to negotiate >post-2012 emission reductions last month in Montreal," noted Brent R. >Kopperson, Executive Director of the Windfall Ecology Centre. > > There is a growing consensus among scientists that global emissions must >be reduced by 30% below 1990 levels by 2020 to avoid hitting a "tipping >point" in the atmosphere of 400 parts per million carbon dioxide. > > "According to Mr. Harper's public statements, a Conservative Party >government would ignore the first stage Kyoto commitment to reduce >greenhouse gases by 6% below 1990 levels by 2012. Given the urgency of the >need to reduce far more by 2020, the Conservative Party position represents >a significant threat to progress in confronting climate change," said Gaile >Whelan Enns of Manitoba Wildlands. > > "It appears that a Canadian government under Stephen Harper would move >Canada more into the same camp as U.S. President George W. Bush," noted >Kathryn Malloy, Executive Director of the British Columbia Chapter of Sierra >Club of Canada. > > The main plank of the Conservative Party platform on climate, the tax >deduction for transit passes is, according to the Canadian Climate >Coalition, a gross abuse of funds and an unproductive boondoggle. > > "Harper's plan will cost 200 to 800 times more for each tonne of >emissions than Canada's current Project Green, which was, in fact, 'made in >Canada'," according to Guy Dauncey of the BC Sustainable Energy Association. >"If this is the way that Harper's 'made in Canada' plan to reduce emissions >begins, then he's certainly not a fiscal conservative!" > > See attached Response Grid to the Questions Posed to the five main >parties by the Canadian Climate Coalition and the Backgrounder on the >Conservative Party position on Climate Change. Please consult with the >Coalition's website: www3.sympatico.ca/lothcol/Election2006ClimateCoalition/ > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---- >-- > Find your next car at Yahoo! Canada Autos > --------------------------------- Find your next car at Yahoo! Canada Autos -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ottawaveg.com/pipermail/vegchat/attachments/20060123/31a96f45/attachment.html From pekieca at yahoo.com Mon Jan 23 16:48:53 2006 From: pekieca at yahoo.com (K) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 11:48:53 -0500 (EST) Subject: [VegChat] From Michael Moore, to Canada In-Reply-To: <208601c6202e$5d347060$6d00a8c0@v> Message-ID: <20060123164854.15820.qmail@web52714.mail.yahoo.com> Our "Conservative" Party is far more Liberal minded than the alleged "left" party of the US - the Democrats. Stephen Harper is not George Bush. And he is a hell of a lot more Liberal than Kerry. Kilometres apart. You didn't see Harper out shooting a goose during the campaign to appeal to the pseudo-he men voters the way Kerry did - Kerry the great democrat - we all hoped he would beat Bush. But Kerry who spoke out against Vietnam because too many people died, goes and shoots a goose to prove he is a "man". What pandering. That was the only life that goose had. What right did he have to kill it? A mere photo op for the Neanderthal voters. Michael Moore has vilified vegetarians in some of his books. If he is such the great activist, why not go further and demonstrate that he really does care for the planet (and he is one person who could really use a veggie diet!) Michael, don't tell us how to be. We are light years ahead of your "democracy". vaalea wrote: One last one for election day: http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/message/index.php?id=192 And for meetups... Don't forget to RSVP for the next meetup... THIS SATURDAY: http://www.caribbeanflavours.net/ We will buy different kinds and split them, rather than be stuck with one large that tastes all the same. Waited for lunch over an hour last time?? Be prepared. When: Saturday, January 28, 2006, 12:00 PM Where: Caribbean Flavours 881 Somerset Street West between Rochester and Preston Ottawa , ON K1R 6R6 (613) 237-9981 --------------------------------- Find your next car at Yahoo! Canada Autos -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ottawaveg.com/pipermail/vegchat/attachments/20060123/094ae099/attachment.html From v at vaalea.com Mon Jan 23 18:17:40 2006 From: v at vaalea.com (v) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 13:17:40 -0500 Subject: [VegChat] From Michael Moore, to Canada Message-ID: <200601231317.AA165347570@vaalea.com> Well that's all comforting to know considering what is predicted to happen =0P.. however.. I don't know much about Micheal Moore's views on vegetarianism... he does say don't let conservatives have a MAJORITY government in his letter. Also, I can recognize someone who does a lot of good-getting people to think- even if I don't agree with EVERYTHING... like I defend PETA even though I don't agree with ALL their tactics/views. ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: K Reply-To: "For all discussion not animal related \(health, environment,etc\). Called " chat"because this is for all kinds of frequent interaction." Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 11:48:53 -0500 (EST) >Our "Conservative" Party is far more Liberal minded than the alleged "left" party of the US - the Democrats. Stephen Harper is not George Bush. And he is a hell of a lot more Liberal than Kerry. Kilometres apart. You didn't see Harper out shooting a goose during the campaign to appeal to the pseudo-he men voters the way Kerry did - Kerry the great democrat - we all hoped he would beat Bush. But Kerry who spoke out against Vietnam because too many people died, goes and shoots a goose to prove he is a "man". What pandering. That was the only life that goose had. What right did he have to kill it? A mere photo op for the Neanderthal voters. > > Michael Moore has vilified vegetarians in some of his books. If he is such the great activist, why not go further and demonstrate that he really does care for the planet (and he is one person who could really use a veggie diet!) > > Michael, don't tell us how to be. We are light years ahead of your "democracy". > >vaalea wrote: > One last one for election day: http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/message/index.php?id=192 > > And for meetups... Don't forget to RSVP for the next meetup... THIS SATURDAY: > http://www.caribbeanflavours.net/ > We will buy different kinds and split them, rather than be stuck with one large that tastes all the same. >Waited for lunch over an hour last time?? Be prepared. > >When: > Saturday, January 28, 2006, 12:00 PM >Where: > Caribbean Flavours >881 Somerset Street West between Rochester and Preston >Ottawa , ON K1R 6R6 >(613) 237-9981 > > > > >--------------------------------- >Find your next car at Yahoo! Canada Autos > From jdunlop at connect.carleton.ca Mon Jan 23 21:03:17 2006 From: jdunlop at connect.carleton.ca (Jayme Dunlop) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 16:03:17 -0500 (EST) Subject: [VegChat] Vote earth Message-ID: <5975647.1138050197858.JavaMail.jdunlop@connect.carleton.ca> I think it was one of those every day free mags (Metro perhaps). The TTC bus passes are the worst, they cost close to 100$ a month. I miss good ol OC Transpo :) K wrote: >That seems odd....which paper did you read that in? In any event, you can take the TTC in Toronto for a lower fare than the bus in Ottawa. Take the subway all the way from Islington to Union station and it costs less than taking the Ottawa bus from Elgin and Lisgar to Bank and First. Plus the subway is every few minutes as opposed to every half hour bus service in a lot of Ottawa. Terrible public transit here. Of course, population here a mere fraction of what it is in Toronto the Good. > > In Denver, the electric streetcars run every few minutes...for free! And that is in Colorado. > > >Jayme Dunlop wrote: > I read an article here in Toronto (so sue me, I don't live in Ottawa >anymore :]) on the prospects of the monthly bus pass tax break. The >TTC said that if they were provided 20$ to reduce the monthly pass, >they would simply raise the price of a monthly pass to offset the >taxbreak. What would we get? Well nothing, no change, zip. I'm sure >allot of other transit systems would act accordingly. > >Don't forget to rock the vote tomorrow, i'm sure most polls will be >open from 9am-9pm. Go to: >http://www.elections.ca/scripts/pss/voting.aspx?L=e&ED=35062&EV=25&EV_TYPE=1&PC=&Prov=ON&ProvID=35&MapID=&QID=3&PageID=0&TPageID= > >to find the location in your area. Don't forget, even if your not >registered, you can still walk in and vote (don't forget your photo id >and a piece of mail if your id doesn't have the proper address). > >Edelweiss D'Andrea wrote: > > >>Thanks for your feedback, K. >> >>I agree with most, but would like to mention that while subsidizing >public >>transit sounds good, it's a not cost effective. >> >>The Conservatives would shift $2 billion from the Liberals' five-year, >$10 >>billion climate-change plan to pay for the 16 per cent tax break on bus >and >>subway passes. That's 20% of the climate change budget. >> >>Dion estimates that would save, at most, 800,000 tonnes of greenhouse >gas >>emissions each year by getting commuters out of cars and onto public >>transit. That's a tiny fraction of the 270 million tonnes Canada must >cut >>each year to meet its Kyoto target. >> -----Original Message----- >> From: vegchat-bounces at ottawaveg.com >>[mailto:vegchat-bounces at ottawaveg.com]On Behalf Of K >> Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 12:53 PM >> To: For all discussion not animal related (health, environment,etc). >>Called ", chat",because this is for all kinds of frequent > >>interaction. >> Subject: Re: [VegChat] Vote earth >> >> >> The GREEN Party is the only party against the seal hunt. >> >> Both The Citizen and Jim Harris, leader of the GREENS, have stated >that >>the GREENS stand a decent chance of getting elected here in Ottawa >Centre, >>as well as in BC Gulf Islands. >> >> Interestingly, I noted an article which speaks of Harper's intention >to >>give public transit users a tax credit, since they are using public >transit >>as opposed to driving. I don't know how one could track this use to >>determine who is eligible, but it is the way to go. Reward those who >walk, >>bike, take the bus, subway, etc. >> >> As you mention and has been widely stated during the election, >emissions >>have increased during the Liberals reign. The NDP has always relied on >>support from large industries (unions), which are pollution causing, >such as >>the automotive industry, although now Buzz Hargrove apparently is >>campaigning with Martin. >> >> K >> >> Edelweiss D'Andrea wrote: >> Vote EARTH this (and every) election. >> >> The following letter I wrote to the editor was published in the >January >>17 Ottawa Citizen: >> Leading parties bad news for planet >> >> The election of a Conservative government in Canada could jeopardize >>progress on urgently needed international cuts to greenhouse gas >emissions. >> >> Stephen Harper re-iterated his party's intention to renege on >Canada's >>obligations to the Kyoto Protocol in 2006. The Conservative party plans >on >>"initiating a made-in-Canada plan to reduce greenhouse gas emissions," >which >>would replace commitments to the Kyoto Protocol. >> >> The Liberals, in power for 12 years, have allowed greenhouse gas >>emission levels to increase steadily. Canada's emissions are 24 per cent >>higher than they were in 1990. >> >> Submissions for the Kyoto Protocol negotiation process begin this >>spring. If Canada, as chair to the conference of the parties, doesn't >>continue to endorse the Kyoto Protocol and start the negotiation >process as >>planned, the process could stall. >> >> This is unbelievably bad news for the planet. >> >> According to World Wildlife Fund, David Suzuki Foundation, and >Pembina >>Institute, a temperature increase of two degrees C above levels in the >>pre-industrial age will change the planet's climate dramatically, after >>which the temperature will spiral irreversibly upwards. The industrial >world >>needs to reduce its greenhouse gas emissions so that levels stabilize >and >>don't exceed 400 parts per million. Industrialized countries need to >make >>the cuts well before 2050. >> >> A recent report published by Pembina Institute and David Suzuki >>Foundation says that industrialized countries must reduce emissions by >25 to >>30 per cent by 2020 and by 85 to 90 per cent by 2050 (relative to 1990 >>levels). >> >> The report says, as an industrialized nation, Canada needs to reduce >>emissions to 25 per cent by 2020 relative to 1990 levels. This means >that >>Canada has to reduce its emissions by 49 per cent over the next 16 >years. >> >> In Canada, climate change is expected to result in water shortages, >>flooding of coastal areas, stress-related disorders caused by >environmental >>migration, and extinction of the polar bear and other northern species. >> >> Edelweiss D'Andrea, BA, BSc >> edandrea at magma.ca >> >> ------------------- >> >> Greenpeace sent out a questionnaire to the 5 major federal parties >>asking them a series of questions about the environment and posted them >>here: >> http://www.greenpeace.ca/e/feature/elections2006 >> >> >> Sierra Club of Canada also compiled answers to an environmental >>questionnaire: >http://www.sierraclub.ca/national/vote-canada/2006/index.html >> >> >> ------------------- >> >> >> Canadian Climate Coalition denounces Conservative Party for ducking >the >>issues >> >> January 17, 2006 >> (Ottawa, Victoria, Winnipeg, Edmonton, Woodbridge, and Montreal) >> >> The Canadian Climate Coalition, a nation-wide network of groups >working >>on climate action, sent a questionnaire to all five major parties to >verify >>positions on the Kyoto Protocol. Only the Conservative Party refused to >>respond. >> >> "The purpose of the survey was to determine future actions to reduce >>greenhouse gases in Canada. Only the NDP and the Green Party were >prepared >>to state specific targets for future action. The Liberals have >committed in >>general terms to long term targets after launching the process to >negotiate >>post-2012 emission reductions last month in Montreal," noted Brent R. >>Kopperson, Executive Director of the Windfall Ecology Centre. >> >> There is a growing consensus among scientists that global emissions >must >>be reduced by 30% below 1990 levels by 2020 to avoid hitting a "tipping >>point" in the atmosphere of 400 parts per million carbon dioxide. >> >> "According to Mr. Harper's public statements, a Conservative Party >>government would ignore the first stage Kyoto commitment to reduce >>greenhouse gases by 6% below 1990 levels by 2012. Given the urgency of >the >>need to reduce far more by 2020, the Conservative Party position >represents >>a significant threat to progress in confronting climate change," said >Gaile >>Whelan Enns of Manitoba Wildlands. >> >> "It appears that a Canadian government under Stephen Harper would >move >>Canada more into the same camp as U.S. President George W. Bush," noted >>Kathryn Malloy, Executive Director of the British Columbia Chapter of >Sierra >>Club of Canada. >> >> The main plank of the Conservative Party platform on climate, the >tax >>deduction for transit passes is, according to the Canadian Climate >>Coalition, a gross abuse of funds and an unproductive boondoggle. >> >> "Harper's plan will cost 200 to 800 times more for each tonne of >>emissions than Canada's current Project Green, which was, in fact, >'made in >>Canada'," according to Guy Dauncey of the BC Sustainable Energy >Association. >>"If this is the way that Harper's 'made in Canada' plan to reduce >emissions >>begins, then he's certainly not a fiscal conservative!" >> >> See attached Response Grid to the Questions Posed to the five main >>parties by the Canadian Climate Coalition and the Backgrounder on the >>Conservative Party position on Climate Change. Please consult with the >>Coalition's website: >www3.sympatico.ca/lothcol/Election2006ClimateCoalition/ >> >> >> >> >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >---- >>-- >> Find your next car at Yahoo! Canada Autos >> > > > > >--------------------------------- >Find your next car at Yahoo! Canada Autos ------------ 416.825.9534 From edandrea at magma.ca Tue Jan 24 00:21:40 2006 From: edandrea at magma.ca (Edelweiss D'Andrea) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 19:21:40 -0500 Subject: [VegChat] From Michael Moore, to Canada In-Reply-To: <20060123164854.15820.qmail@web52714.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I disagree that our Conservative party is far more Liberal-minded than the alleged "left" party of the US. The Conservative Party intends to cut funds to First Nations, cut social programs, support private medical care, and they are going to dismiss the Kyoto Protocol, as Michael Moore said. -----Original Message----- From: vegchat-bounces at ottawaveg.com [mailto:vegchat-bounces at ottawaveg.com]On Behalf Of K Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 11:49 AM To: For all discussion not animal related (health, environment,etc). Called ", chat",because this is for all kinds of frequent interaction. Subject: Re: [VegChat] From Michael Moore, to Canada Our "Conservative" Party is far more Liberal minded than the alleged "left" party of the US - the Democrats. Stephen Harper is not George Bush. And he is a hell of a lot more Liberal than Kerry. Kilometres apart. You didn't see Harper out shooting a goose during the campaign to appeal to the pseudo-he men voters the way Kerry did - Kerry the great democrat - we all hoped he would beat Bush. But Kerry who spoke out against Vietnam because too many people died, goes and shoots a goose to prove he is a "man". What pandering. That was the only life that goose had. What right did he have to kill it? A mere photo op for the Neanderthal voters. Michael Moore has vilified vegetarians in some of his books. If he is such the great activist, why not go further and demonstrate that he really does care for the planet (and he is one person who could really use a veggie diet!) Michael, don't tell us how to be. We are light years ahead of your "democracy". vaalea wrote: One last one for election day: http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/message/index.php?id=192 And for meetups... Don't forget to RSVP for the next meetup... THIS SATURDAY: http://www.caribbeanflavours.net/ We will buy different kinds and split them, rather than be stuck with one large that tastes all the same. Waited for lunch over an hour last time?? Be prepared. When: Saturday, January 28, 2006, 12:00 PM Where: Caribbean Flavours 881 Somerset Street West between Rochester and Preston Ottawa , ON K1R 6R6 (613) 237-9981 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Find your next car at Yahoo! Canada Autos -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ottawaveg.com/pipermail/vegchat/attachments/20060123/476485b2/attachment.html From jdunlop at connect.carleton.ca Tue Jan 24 20:39:12 2006 From: jdunlop at connect.carleton.ca (Jayme Dunlop) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 15:39:12 -0500 (EST) Subject: [VegChat] Elections over! Message-ID: <4061354.1138135152887.JavaMail.jdunlop@connect.carleton.ca> Election night has come and gone with no great drama. Thankfully the Conservatives were held to a minority, that would have been a messy four years! The sad part for us Urbanites is the representation in the government. The three Metro regions of Canada's biggest cities(Vancouver, Toronto, Montreal) have 0 Conservative seats. It sure says allot of the stark differences between rural and city folk. Though I did not vote Green, it was unfornate not to see them score a seat. On a positive, they did pop up on teh CBC radar at one point in the evening. Apparently they jumped into the lead at one point, which was cool enough. They even managed to get 3rd place in some ridings, another positive. ------------ 416.825.9534 From edandrea at magma.ca Wed Jan 25 03:39:56 2006 From: edandrea at magma.ca (Edelweiss D'Andrea) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 22:39:56 -0500 Subject: [VegChat] Municipal elections coming up in the fall In-Reply-To: <4061354.1138135152887.JavaMail.jdunlop@connect.carleton.ca> Message-ID: We escaped a majority Conservative government. Hurray!!! The Greens and NDP, two parties with excellent environmental platforms, got a combined 21% of the popular vote in last night's election. The Greens got 4% and NDP got 17%. The NDP gained 11 seats (30 seats, up from 19 in the last election). However, it's time to start thinking about the municipal election, which is taking place in the fall. Did you know that grassroots organizations in the US have pressured their municipal governments to take action, and it's worked. In Oregon, candidates were picked based on their environmental records, and many of these "green" candidates got onto city council by acclamation. Canadian cities have a long way to go before getting anywhere near the commitment to sustainability as these US cities. But we can do it! In Ottawa, a majority of city councillors consistently vote down environmental bills. This year, our city council voted to go $37,000,000 into debt by 2008 to build roads, mainly suburban roads that will support ever-growing car traffic, but it voted against spending $1,400,000 for environmental programs to monitor air quality and encourage greenhouse gas reduction, among other things. I would like to ask you all if you would consider getting involved in helping "green" candidates get voted in. I promise it will be fun. We have a graphic artist, an event-organizer extraordinaire, a professional writer, and an excellent cookie baker onboard. I have invited community groups to get involved, too. Sincerely yours, Edelweiss -----Original Message-----$1 From: vegchat-bounces at ottawaveg.com [mailto:vegchat-bounces at ottawaveg.com]On Behalf Of Jayme Dunlop Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 3:39 PM To: vegchat at ottawaveg.com Subject: [VegChat] Elections over! Election night has come and gone with no great drama. Thankfully the Conservatives were held to a minority, that would have been a messy four years! The sad part for us Urbanites is the representation in the government. The three Metro regions of Canada's biggest cities(Vancouver, Toronto, Montreal) have 0 Conservative seats. It sure says allot of the stark differences between rural and city folk. Though I did not vote Green, it was unfornate not to see them score a seat. On a positive, they did pop up on teh CBC radar at one point in the evening. Apparently they jumped into the lead at one point, which was cool enough. They even managed to get 3rd place in some ridings, another positive. ------------ 416.825.9534 From pekieca at yahoo.com Wed Jan 25 17:10:50 2006 From: pekieca at yahoo.com (K) Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 12:10:50 -0500 (EST) Subject: [VegChat] Elections over! In-Reply-To: <4061354.1138135152887.JavaMail.jdunlop@connect.carleton.ca> Message-ID: <20060125171051.50277.qmail@web52709.mail.yahoo.com> They came in second in Wild Rose, Alberta. Jayme Dunlop wrote: Election night has come and gone with no great drama. Thankfully the Conservatives were held to a minority, that would have been a messy four years! The sad part for us Urbanites is the representation in the government. The three Metro regions of Canada's biggest cities(Vancouver, Toronto, Montreal) have 0 Conservative seats. It sure says allot of the stark differences between rural and city folk. Though I did not vote Green, it was unfornate not to see them score a seat. On a positive, they did pop up on teh CBC radar at one point in the evening. Apparently they jumped into the lead at one point, which was cool enough. They even managed to get 3rd place in some ridings, another positive. ------------ 416.825.9534 --------------------------------- Find your next car at Yahoo! Canada Autos -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ottawaveg.com/pipermail/vegchat/attachments/20060125/b6ee8947/attachment.html From pekieca at yahoo.com Wed Jan 25 17:14:00 2006 From: pekieca at yahoo.com (K) Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 12:14:00 -0500 (EST) Subject: [VegChat] Municipal elections coming up in the fall In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060125171400.58250.qmail@web52712.mail.yahoo.com> Who do you consider as potentials? Clive Doucet, Alex Cullen, Alex Munter? Clive is famous for riding his bike...he is fairly "green". Edelweiss D'Andrea wrote: We escaped a majority Conservative government. Hurray!!! The Greens and NDP, two parties with excellent environmental platforms, got a combined 21% of the popular vote in last night's election. The Greens got 4% and NDP got 17%. The NDP gained 11 seats (30 seats, up from 19 in the last election). However, it's time to start thinking about the municipal election, which is taking place in the fall. Did you know that grassroots organizations in the US have pressured their municipal governments to take action, and it's worked. In Oregon, candidates were picked based on their environmental records, and many of these "green" candidates got onto city council by acclamation. Canadian cities have a long way to go before getting anywhere near the commitment to sustainability as these US cities. But we can do it! In Ottawa, a majority of city councillors consistently vote down environmental bills. This year, our city council voted to go $37,000,000 into debt by 2008 to build roads, mainly suburban roads that will support ever-growing car traffic, but it voted against spending $1,400,000 for environmental programs to monitor air quality and encourage greenhouse gas reduction, among other things. I would like to ask you all if you would consider getting involved in helping "green" candidates get voted in. I promise it will be fun. We have a graphic artist, an event-organizer extraordinaire, a professional writer, and an excellent cookie baker onboard. I have invited community groups to get involved, too. Sincerely yours, Edelweiss -----Original Message-----$1 From: vegchat-bounces at ottawaveg.com [mailto:vegchat-bounces at ottawaveg.com]On Behalf Of Jayme Dunlop Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 3:39 PM To: vegchat at ottawaveg.com Subject: [VegChat] Elections over! Election night has come and gone with no great drama. Thankfully the Conservatives were held to a minority, that would have been a messy four years! The sad part for us Urbanites is the representation in the government. The three Metro regions of Canada's biggest cities(Vancouver, Toronto, Montreal) have 0 Conservative seats. It sure says allot of the stark differences between rural and city folk. Though I did not vote Green, it was unfornate not to see them score a seat. On a positive, they did pop up on teh CBC radar at one point in the evening. Apparently they jumped into the lead at one point, which was cool enough. They even managed to get 3rd place in some ridings, another positive. ------------ 416.825.9534 --------------------------------- Find your next car at Yahoo! Canada Autos -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ottawaveg.com/pipermail/vegchat/attachments/20060125/1f9257ea/attachment.html From pekieca at yahoo.com Wed Jan 25 17:21:54 2006 From: pekieca at yahoo.com (K) Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 12:21:54 -0500 (EST) Subject: [VegChat] From Michael Moore, to Canada In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060125172155.59466.qmail@web52708.mail.yahoo.com> Beg to diifer. During the US primaries, the websites of the candidates clearly demonstrate that south of the border, they still have not come to terms with basic human rights issues, which have long been part of our national fabric. Why during the reigns of Carter, Clinton, both dems, did national health care become a reality? No. And their atttitude towards the right to bear arms? As for native issues....we are light years ahead in progressive thinking...would they ever make concessions to those mexicans they displaced when the us invaded texas? would they ever recognize the spanish language or culture of others? no canadian party remotely approaches the right wing philosophy of the us dems. Edelweiss D'Andrea wrote: I disagree that our Conservative party is far more Liberal-minded than the alleged "left" party of the US. The Conservative Party intends to cut funds to First Nations, cut social programs, support private medical care, and they are going to dismiss the Kyoto Protocol, as Michael Moore said. -----Original Message----- From: vegchat-bounces at ottawaveg.com [mailto:vegchat-bounces at ottawaveg.com]On Behalf Of K Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 11:49 AM To: For all discussion not animal related (health, environment,etc). Called ", chat",because this is for all kinds of frequent interaction. Subject: Re: [VegChat] From Michael Moore, to Canada Our "Conservative" Party is far more Liberal minded than the alleged "left" party of the US - the Democrats. Stephen Harper is not George Bush. And he is a hell of a lot more Liberal than Kerry. Kilometres apart. You didn't see Harper out shooting a goose during the campaign to appeal to the pseudo-he men voters the way Kerry did - Kerry the great democrat - we all hoped he would beat Bush. But Kerry who spoke out against Vietnam because too many people died, goes and shoots a goose to prove he is a "man". What pandering. That was the only life that goose had. What right did he have to kill it? A mere photo op for the Neanderthal voters. Michael Moore has vilified vegetarians in some of his books. If he is such the great activist, why not go further and demonstrate that he really does care for the planet (and he is one person who could really use a veggie diet!) Michael, don't tell us how to be. We are light years ahead of your "democracy". vaalea wrote: One last one for election day: http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/message/index.php?id=192 And for meetups... Don't forget to RSVP for the next meetup... THIS SATURDAY: http://www.caribbeanflavours.net/ We will buy different kinds and split them, rather than be stuck with one large that tastes all the same. Waited for lunch over an hour last time?? Be prepared. When: Saturday, January 28, 2006, 12:00 PM Where: Caribbean Flavours 881 Somerset Street West between Rochester and Preston Ottawa , ON K1R 6R6 (613) 237-9981 --------------------------------- Find your next car at Yahoo! Canada Autos --------------------------------- Find your next car at Yahoo! Canada Autos -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ottawaveg.com/pipermail/vegchat/attachments/20060125/d43734e8/attachment.html From pekieca at yahoo.com Wed Jan 25 18:17:24 2006 From: pekieca at yahoo.com (K) Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 13:17:24 -0500 (EST) Subject: [VegChat] Municipal elections coming up in the fall In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060125181724.86303.qmail@web52702.mail.yahoo.com> PS to my previous message... wonder if any of the local GREEN candidates would be interested....specifically, David Chernushenko, Federal Green Candidate for Ottawa-Centre.. After all, didn't Kim Campbell start out at the municipal level..or was it as a school board trustee... regardless, would be great if someone of his mindset was mayor, and that would give him some political experience..... BTW, here are the stats from the GREEN site as to how they fared. It is interesting that in wild rose alberta, they came in second to the former Reform MP, Myron ?....who is actually from Colorado.....Harris' speech to Empire Club last week or so did say they had a lot of support in alberta from oil patch workers. Note they got the most votes for a riding here in ottawa-centre...so this could indicate that ottawa is ready to embrace a green mayor few Green results: Percentage nationally: 4.5% Number of votes: 665,940 Best province: Alberta, 6.6% Best riding (percentage): Bruce--Grey--Owen Sound, 12.9% Best riding (number of votes): Ottawa Centre, 6,766 votes Edelweiss D'Andrea wrote: We escaped a majority Conservative government. Hurray!!! The Greens and NDP, two parties with excellent environmental platforms, got a combined 21% of the popular vote in last night's election. The Greens got 4% and NDP got 17%. The NDP gained 11 seats (30 seats, up from 19 in the last election). However, it's time to start thinking about the municipal election, which is taking place in the fall. Did you know that grassroots organizations in the US have pressured their municipal governments to take action, and it's worked. In Oregon, candidates were picked based on their environmental records, and many of these "green" candidates got onto city council by acclamation. Canadian cities have a long way to go before getting anywhere near the commitment to sustainability as these US cities. But we can do it! In Ottawa, a majority of city councillors consistently vote down environmental bills. This year, our city council voted to go $37,000,000 into debt by 2008 to build roads, mainly suburban roads that will support ever-growing car traffic, but it voted against spending $1,400,000 for environmental programs to monitor air quality and encourage greenhouse gas reduction, among other things. I would like to ask you all if you would consider getting involved in helping "green" candidates get voted in. I promise it will be fun. We have a graphic artist, an event-organizer extraordinaire, a professional writer, and an excellent cookie baker onboard. I have invited community groups to get involved, too. Sincerely yours, Edelweiss -----Original Message-----$1 From: vegchat-bounces at ottawaveg.com [mailto:vegchat-bounces at ottawaveg.com]On Behalf Of Jayme Dunlop Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 3:39 PM To: vegchat at ottawaveg.com Subject: [VegChat] Elections over! Election night has come and gone with no great drama. Thankfully the Conservatives were held to a minority, that would have been a messy four years! The sad part for us Urbanites is the representation in the government. The three Metro regions of Canada's biggest cities(Vancouver, Toronto, Montreal) have 0 Conservative seats. It sure says allot of the stark differences between rural and city folk. Though I did not vote Green, it was unfornate not to see them score a seat. On a positive, they did pop up on teh CBC radar at one point in the evening. Apparently they jumped into the lead at one point, which was cool enough. They even managed to get 3rd place in some ridings, another positive. ------------ 416.825.9534 --------------------------------- Find your next car at Yahoo! Canada Autos -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ottawaveg.com/pipermail/vegchat/attachments/20060125/c1971d4e/attachment.html From pam.mayhew at gmail.com Thu Jan 26 13:29:32 2006 From: pam.mayhew at gmail.com (Pam Mayhew) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 08:29:32 -0500 Subject: [VegChat] Municipal elections coming up in the fall In-Reply-To: <20060125181724.86303.qmail@web52702.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060125181724.86303.qmail@web52702.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2be9ae580601260529w67297179s19aeca91d0a50e3d@mail.gmail.com> Hello - you can put me down as someone who would be interested in greening the municipal election. Pam On 1/25/06, K wrote: > > PS to my previous message... > > wonder if any of the local GREEN candidates would be > interested....specifically, David Chernushenko, Federal Green Candidate for > Ottawa-Centre.. After all, didn't Kim Campbell start out at the municipal > level..or was it as a school board trustee... > > regardless, would be great if someone of his mindset was mayor, and that > would give him some political experience..... > > BTW, here are the stats from the GREEN site as to how they fared. It is > interesting that in wild rose alberta, they came in second to the former > Reform MP, Myron ?....who is actually from Colorado.....Harris' speech to > Empire Club last week or so did say they had a lot of support in alberta > from oil patch workers. > > Note they got the most votes for a riding here in ottawa-centre...so this > could indicate that ottawa is ready to embrace a green mayor > > * few Green results: > > *Percentage nationally: 4.5% > Number of votes: 665,940 > > Best province: Alberta, 6.6% > Best riding (percentage): Bruce--Grey--Owen Sound, 12.9% > Best riding (number of votes): Ottawa Centre, 6,766 votes > > > *Edelweiss D'Andrea * wrote: > > We escaped a majority Conservative government. Hurray!!! > > The Greens and NDP, two parties with excellent environmental platforms, > got a combined 21% of the popular vote in last night's election. The Greens > got 4% and NDP got 17%. The NDP gained 11 seats (30 seats, up from 19 in the > last election). > > However, it's time to start thinking about the municipal election, which > is taking place in the fall. Did you know that grassroots organizations in > the US have pressured their municipal governments to take action, and it's > worked. In Oregon, candidates were picked based on their environmental > records, and many of these "green" candidates got onto city council by > acclamation. > > Canadian cities have a long way to go before getting anywhere near the > commitment to sustainability as these US cities. But we can do it! > > In Ottawa, a majority of city councillors consistently vote down > environmental bills. This year, our city council voted to go $37,000,000 > into debt by 2008 to build roads, mainly suburban roads that will support > ever-growing car traffic, but it voted against spending $1,400,000 for > environmental programs to monitor air quality and encourage greenhouse gas > reduction, among other things. > > > I would like to ask you all if you would consider getting involved in > helping "green" candidates get voted in. I promise it will be fun. We have a > graphic artist, an event-organizer extraordinaire, a professional writer, > and an excellent cookie baker onboard. I have invited community groups to > get involved, too. > > Sincerely yours, > > Edelweiss > > -----Original Message-----$1 > From: vegchat-bounces at ottawaveg.com > [mailto:vegchat-bounces at ottawaveg.com]On Behalf Of Jayme Dunlop > Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 3:39 PM > To: vegchat at ottawaveg.com > Subject: [VegChat] Elections over! > > > Election night has come and gone with no great drama. Thankfully the > Conservatives were held to a minority, that would have been a messy > four years! > > The sad part for us Urbanites is the representation in the government. > The three Metro regions of Canada's biggest cities(Vancouver, Toronto, > Montreal) have 0 Conservative seats. It sure says allot of the stark > differences between rural and city folk. > > Though I did not vote Green, it was unfornate not to see them score a > seat. On a positive, they did pop up on teh CBC radar at one point in > the evening. Apparently they jumped into the lead at one point, which > was cool enough. They even managed to get 3rd place in some ridings, > another positive. > > ------------ > 416.825.9534 > > > > > ------------------------------ > Find your next car at *Yahoo! Canada Autos* > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ottawaveg.com/pipermail/vegchat/attachments/20060126/a9cb493a/attachment.html From edandrea at magma.ca Fri Jan 27 03:57:08 2006 From: edandrea at magma.ca (Edelweiss D'Andrea) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 22:57:08 -0500 Subject: [VegChat] Green city council In-Reply-To: <20060125172155.59466.qmail@web52708.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thanks, Pam. Cool! I will put your name down. K, David Chernushenko would be an excellent candidate, but he lives in the Ottawa Centre riding. If he ran, it would be against Clive Doucet, the one and only councillor who voted against the budget last spring because it was environmentally unsound. You may be interested to know that I have spoken to Mr. Chernushenko about helping to find candidates to run in the municipal election, and he graciously agreed. Edelweiss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ottawaveg.com/pipermail/vegchat/attachments/20060126/5c8198b2/attachment.html From pekieca at yahoo.com Fri Jan 27 16:09:39 2006 From: pekieca at yahoo.com (K) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 11:09:39 -0500 (EST) Subject: [VegChat] Green city council In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060127160939.10451.qmail@web52705.mail.yahoo.com> I was thinking of candidates for Mayor when I mentioned those names. I asked Clive's office a few months back if he would consider running for Mayor....and that is why I mentioned Alex Cullen too, as a potential candidate for mayor, same with Chernushenko...not as candidates for council, but for mayor. Edelweiss D'Andrea wrote: Thanks, Pam. Cool! I will put your name down. K, David Chernushenko would be an excellent candidate, but he lives in the Ottawa Centre riding. If he ran, it would be against Clive Doucet, the one and only councillor who voted against the budget last spring because it was environmentally unsound. 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