From uhuman at gmail.com Sat Jul 1 20:54:45 2006 From: uhuman at gmail.com (uHuman) Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 16:54:45 -0400 Subject: [VegChat] veggie lit and a rant Message-ID: Howdy Fellow V*ggies ! What follows is an interesting "ad" for vegetarianism that i received, and then i rant a bit... I left my car at the ottawa airport this week, and when i got back there was a paper on the windshield. This is rare at the airport, but what really stood out was the topic. Alternative Living / being vegetarian / Change your life Change your heart Change your diet No more killing Be healthy and happy In fact you can see the paper at http://al.godsdirectcontact.org.tw/ except that the paper had websites at the bottom and french on the back (front). It says the contact is AL at Godsdirectcontact.org Other sites quoted are http://www.vegsoc.org/ and http://www.happycow.net/north_america/canada/index.html it says local contact is at : http://www.godsdirectcontact.org.tw/eng/cp/index.htm which doesn't list a name for ottawa but has a name for montreal. Well i thought y'all might be interested. Certainly the first time i get such. It is encouraging. Also, I sat in on a presentation where they talked about epidemics briefly. If you're interested i should have three pages with a few basic facts on them in a week. They presented the H5N1 and basically said (as i recall) a billion people would die. They also said this was only one of many possible hits, and that it would likely hit us eventually. They also pointed out that it is physically impossible to create enough vaccines (although they didn't explain why), so basically they could at most create about 30% of what is needed. They pointed out that the only way this contagion will be controlled is by isolation, ie. everyone stays at home. The minimum isolation is 10 days , 15 days is better. Now the reason i bring this up is of course that this sort of disease and many others are directly related to meat eating, and are of course yet another imposition from meat eaters onto all of us. As is pollution, destruction of nature, and so forth. There is such a selfishness and "me" culture it really is depressing ! Relating back to previous emails, why can't Ottawa build a strong public transportation infrastructure. People are so concerned about saving lives yet they are happy to pollute etc. Interestingly there is a beginning of awareness that medicine should perhaps be about prevention and not just bad "fixing". Well, i've covered enough territory here, jumping all around all these frustrating problems, and having started from a glimmer of hope: people trying to spread the word of v*gan. Be well all, and let me know what you think ! uHuman vegetarian on the way to vegan (cheese is my last challenge, well and eggs in cakes mmm cakes - never use 'em when i make one but hard to avoid when you go out) From kingofthebongo at canada.com Tue Jul 4 19:15:07 2006 From: kingofthebongo at canada.com (kingofthebongo at canada.com) Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2006 15:15:07 -0400 Subject: [VegChat] Public Transit? Message-ID: <44aabe3b.15b.4666.27809@canada.com> This is in response to an old message, but it's been bugging me so I have to respond. > Consider, > > An O.C. transpo Bus uses approximately 150 liters of > diesel fuel per hundred kilometers travelled. The average > number of passengers carried throughout the day on a O.C. > transpo bus is 15. > > This gives an average fuel consumption for the bus fleet > of 10 liters of deisel per hundred kilometers for every > passenger. Where do you get your facts from, David? According to Transport Canada's "Motor Vehicle and Fleet Characteristics" survey in 2000, buses consume on average 32.5 litres of fuel per 100 km. I didn't find data on # of passengers, but assuming it's 15, that would be an average consumption of 2.2 litres of fuel per 100 km for each passenger. > > Compare this to a the new small car such as the Toyota > Echo or Honda Civic which use about 5 liters per hundred > kilometers. Actually, the Echo consumes about 6.7 litres per 100 km in the city. So you only need an average of 5 passengers per bus to make buses a better option than a Toyota Echo. And what's more, the more passengers that take the bus, the more environmentally friendly the bus system becomes. > > More than this even, is that the new passenger cars have > emissions control and pollute very little, while the bus > has no pollution controls what so ever and causes air > pollution equal too several hundred Honda's. It's completely untrue that "the bus has no pollution controls whatsoever"; emissions from buses are regulated under the Canadian Environmental Protection Act just as cars are. And their emissions do not equal "several hundred Hondas"; by regulation, a bus's emissions are equal to just under three cars. Which makes the bus by far the best option for environmentally conscious people. Ken ---------------------------------------- Upgrade your account today for increased storage; mail forwarding or POP enabled e-mail with automatic virus scanning. Visit our member benefits page at https://members.canada.com/benefits.aspx for more information. From v at vaalea.com Tue Jul 4 23:59:37 2006 From: v at vaalea.com (vaalea) Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 19:59:37 -0400 Subject: [VegChat] veggie lit PLUS MORE STUFF> References: Message-ID: <059401c69fc5$e90cc620$6400a8c0@v> On the other hand, the url name"Godsdirectcontact", and the animals saying things like "we pray for you" and I'm pretty sure on the actual flyer.."we will give you more milk" or something.... all looks a little... odd. We had a stack dropped off at our unattended veg table at the Ecofair. Also, re isolation etc... and transportation... I wish that they would do MORE to encourage telecommuting which helps alleviate the traffic and pollution problems, and probably affects the rounds of sicknesses. Bus Pass Tax Break Starting in July 2006 you could be eligible for a tax break for your bus passes. Only catch is that you need to save your old passes for the tax break starting in July. So keep your old passes, they really could be worth something now. This would be valid for your 2006 return. http://www.octranspo.com/Whats_New/TaxBreak_menuE.htm Theatre - In the Park Salamander Theatre - All's Well That Ends Well (Amateur/Kids) http://www.salamandertheatre.ca/shakespeare.html A Company of Fools - Two Gentlemen of Verona http://www.fools.ca/ Odyssey Theatre - Bungsu and the Big Snake http://www.odysseytheatre.ca/strathcona1.html Dose Sustainability Tips http://www.dose.ca/ottawa/news/story.html?id=69f43ac8-8785-433f-b45b-3171c9b853de Bridgehead sent an email saying that they honestly had no recollection of the recipes being sent back in September and thanking me for them.... so..... lets hope that they try them and like them!!! From v at vaalea.com Sun Jul 9 00:30:04 2006 From: v at vaalea.com (vaalea) Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 20:30:04 -0400 Subject: [VegChat] Re: [4animals] July 16- national ice cream day Message-ID: <053101c6a2ee$d347c4d0$6400a8c0@v> I was hoping someone would volunteer to organize this (IF it is for Canada too and not just the USA.) There are some of us who would like to HELP OUT with something like this, but not be the organizer. If anyone HAS been looking into organizing this, please let me know ASAP! I've postponed organizing the next meetup because it falls around the same time.... but I REALLY need to put the next meetup up. ack. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pamela" To: <4animals at ottawaveg.com> Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 6:55 PM Subject: [4animals] July 16- national ice cream day > My friend got this e-mail and asked me to post it to > the group for her: > > > > > Dear Friends of Viva! > Sunday, July 16th is National Ice Cream Day - the > perfect opportunity to show consumers the delights of > dairy-free ice cream. Viva! is teaming up with Soy > Delicious - producers of mouth-watering flavors such > as Mocha Almond Fudge, Cookies & Cream, and Mango > Raspberry - and we need your help to show everyone how > yummy these cruelty-free desserts are! > > Can you spare a couple of hours on National Ice Cream > Day to join in with a fun, national event? Organize a > free ice cream give-away in your area and persuade the > public to dump dairy and sample soy instead! > > According to the International Ice Cream Association, > about 9% of all the milk produced by U.S. dairy > farmers is used for ice cream, in its words: > "contributing significantly to the economic well-being > of the nation's dairy industry." > > Dairy cows' lives are short, exhausting, and filled > with discomfort and distress. Forced to produce a calf > every year in order to keep up milk production, the > babies are torn away, sometimes when only a few hours > old, so that the milk meant for them can be bottled up > for humans. Mother cows will bellow for days at the > loss of their young. Relentless milking makes them > tired, always hungry, and susceptible to mastitis, > which can cause pus to weep from their infected teats. > Their babies' future is also bleak. Male calves will > likely end up in veal crates, chained by the neck to > prevent movement and slaughtered at around 6 months of > age for their pale flesh. Female calves will be forced > into a life of misery producing milk for humans. > > Please get in touch now if you want to be part of this > fun promotion by organizing a free ice cream give-away > in your area. Soy Delicious will provide you with > coupons to purchase tubs of ice cream to give away, > and we can advise you on how to make your event a real > success with local media coverage. > > We look forward to hearing from you soon! > > Yours for the animals, > Claudia Tarry > Campaigns Director > > > more ideas: > http://www.vivausa.org/campaigns/dairy/servingicecream.html > > info at viva.org > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > 4animals mailing list > 4animals at ottawaveg.com > http://lists.ottawaveg.com/mailman/listinfo/4animals > From edandrea at magma.ca Sun Jul 9 03:11:08 2006 From: edandrea at magma.ca (Edelweiss D'Andrea) Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 23:11:08 -0400 Subject: [VegChat] Re: [4animals] July 16- national ice cream day In-Reply-To: <053101c6a2ee$d347c4d0$6400a8c0@v> Message-ID: Hello, I love ice cream and animals and would be happy to help organize an event that promotes the consumption of non-dairy ice cream. Anyone interested in organizing it with me? Edelweiss -----Original Message----- From: vegchat-bounces at ottawaveg.com [mailto:vegchat-bounces at ottawaveg.com]On Behalf Of vaalea Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2006 8:30 PM To: vegchat Subject: [VegChat] Re: [4animals] July 16- national ice cream day I was hoping someone would volunteer to organize this (IF it is for Canada too and not just the USA.) There are some of us who would like to HELP OUT with something like this, but not be the organizer. If anyone HAS been looking into organizing this, please let me know ASAP! I've postponed organizing the next meetup because it falls around the same time.... but I REALLY need to put the next meetup up. ack. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pamela" To: <4animals at ottawaveg.com> Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 6:55 PM Subject: [4animals] July 16- national ice cream day > My friend got this e-mail and asked me to post it to > the group for her: > > > > > Dear Friends of Viva! > Sunday, July 16th is National Ice Cream Day - the > perfect opportunity to show consumers the delights of > dairy-free ice cream. Viva! is teaming up with Soy > Delicious - producers of mouth-watering flavors such > as Mocha Almond Fudge, Cookies & Cream, and Mango > Raspberry - and we need your help to show everyone how > yummy these cruelty-free desserts are! > > Can you spare a couple of hours on National Ice Cream > Day to join in with a fun, national event? Organize a > free ice cream give-away in your area and persuade the > public to dump dairy and sample soy instead! > > According to the International Ice Cream Association, > about 9% of all the milk produced by U.S. dairy > farmers is used for ice cream, in its words: > "contributing significantly to the economic well-being > of the nation's dairy industry." > > Dairy cows' lives are short, exhausting, and filled > with discomfort and distress. Forced to produce a calf > every year in order to keep up milk production, the > babies are torn away, sometimes when only a few hours > old, so that the milk meant for them can be bottled up > for humans. Mother cows will bellow for days at the > loss of their young. Relentless milking makes them > tired, always hungry, and susceptible to mastitis, > which can cause pus to weep from their infected teats. > Their babies' future is also bleak. Male calves will > likely end up in veal crates, chained by the neck to > prevent movement and slaughtered at around 6 months of > age for their pale flesh. Female calves will be forced > into a life of misery producing milk for humans. > > Please get in touch now if you want to be part of this > fun promotion by organizing a free ice cream give-away > in your area. Soy Delicious will provide you with > coupons to purchase tubs of ice cream to give away, > and we can advise you on how to make your event a real > success with local media coverage. > > We look forward to hearing from you soon! > > Yours for the animals, > Claudia Tarry > Campaigns Director > > > more ideas: > http://www.vivausa.org/campaigns/dairy/servingicecream.html > > info at viva.org > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > 4animals mailing list > 4animals at ottawaveg.com > http://lists.ottawaveg.com/mailman/listinfo/4animals > From pekieca at yahoo.com Mon Jul 10 15:50:22 2006 From: pekieca at yahoo.com (K) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 11:50:22 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [VegChat] Public Transit? In-Reply-To: <44aabe3b.15b.4666.27809@canada.com> Message-ID: <20060710155022.30385.qmail@web52708.mail.yahoo.com> Was happy to see "Dateline" on NBC last night (and during prime time) to present a feature on global warming. It showed polar bears surrounded by melting ice, and set out the amount of average emissions the "typical" American family generates each day. It suggested that each viewer can do their part by changing light bulbs, etc. and by recommending the use of hybrid vehicles. Great to see Tom Brokaw setting out the facts re vans and SUV's and suggesting that "we can all do our bit" by driving a hybrid. It's a start...... K --------------------------------- The best gets better. See why everyone is raving about the All-new Yahoo! Mail. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ottawaveg.com/pipermail/vegchat/attachments/20060710/e7fc758a/attachment.html From pekieca at yahoo.com Mon Jul 10 16:10:30 2006 From: pekieca at yahoo.com (K) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 12:10:30 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [VegChat] veggie lit PLUS MORE STUFF> In-Reply-To: <059401c69fc5$e90cc620$6400a8c0@v> Message-ID: <20060710161030.99621.qmail@web52712.mail.yahoo.com> I won't be too worried about that site; it talks a lot about meditation, some of its content reminded me of buddism: http://www.godsdirectcontact.org/eng/quanyin.html The Supreme Master Ching Hai initiates sincere spiritual aspirants into the Quan Yin Method -- the same practice that was taught by Jesus Christ, Buddha, and other Saints. The Chinese characters, Quan Yin, mean "contemplation of the sound current." The Method involves meditation on the Inner Light and the Inner Sound of God, or the Word (Logos) as referred to in the Bible and acknowledged repeatedly in the literature of all the world's major spiritual traditions. Through this practice you can gain a happy and more relaxed life, liberate yourself, and save five generations of your family. The Quan Yin Method requires two and a half hours of meditation per day and adherence to the following five precepts: Refrain from taking the life of sentient beings (*) Refrain from speaking what is not true; Refrain from taking what is not offered; Refrain from sexual misconduct; Refrain from the use of intoxicants (**) --------------------------------- (*) This precept requires strict adherence to a vegan of lacto-vegetarian diet. No meat, fish, poultry or eggs (fertile or nonfertile). (**) This includes avoiding alcohol, drugs, tobacco, gambling, pornography, and excessively violent films or literature.(All poisonsof any kind) vaalea wrote: On the other hand, the url name"Godsdirectcontact", and the animals saying things like "we pray for you" and I'm pretty sure on the actual flyer.."we will give you more milk" or something.... all looks a little... odd. We had a stack dropped off at our unattended veg table at the Ecofair. Also, re isolation etc... and transportation... I wish that they would do MORE to encourage telecommuting which helps alleviate the traffic and pollution problems, and probably affects the rounds of sicknesses. Bus Pass Tax Break Starting in July 2006 you could be eligible for a tax break for your bus passes. Only catch is that you need to save your old passes for the tax break starting in July. So keep your old passes, they really could be worth something now. This would be valid for your 2006 return. http://www.octranspo.com/Whats_New/TaxBreak_menuE.htm Theatre - In the Park Salamander Theatre - All's Well That Ends Well (Amateur/Kids) http://www.salamandertheatre.ca/shakespeare.html A Company of Fools - Two Gentlemen of Verona http://www.fools.ca/ Odyssey Theatre - Bungsu and the Big Snake http://www.odysseytheatre.ca/strathcona1.html Dose Sustainability Tips http://www.dose.ca/ottawa/news/story.html?id=69f43ac8-8785-433f-b45b-3171c9b853de Bridgehead sent an email saying that they honestly had no recollection of the recipes being sent back in September and thanking me for them.... so..... lets hope that they try them and like them!!! --------------------------------- All new Yahoo! Mail --------------------------------- Get news delivered. Enjoy RSS feeds right on your Mail page. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ottawaveg.com/pipermail/vegchat/attachments/20060710/90dedd67/attachment.html From v at vaalea.com Mon Jul 10 17:11:40 2006 From: v at vaalea.com (vaalea) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 13:11:40 -0400 Subject: [VegChat] veggie lit PLUS MORE STUFF> References: <20060710161030.99621.qmail@web52712.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <010101c6a443$e9b40110$6400a8c0@v> I'm not worried (and I did look around the website at that stuff before), but I still think it looks odd to give out to the general public - like Govindas or Perfection Satisfaction Promise..some people ARE a little weirded out by that kind of thing. I wasn't sure what you meant by "vegan of lacto-vegetarian diet." but then I realized it was supposed to be OR.. tehe. That certainly explains the "we will give you more milk" I saw on the pamphlet.... but doesn't explain what they do [or think should be done] with all the bull calves born.... at least until the technology happens that through artificial insemination they are able to produce only heifer calves (and the occasional bull necessary)... see http://www.moomilk.com/archive/dairy_p_40.htm ...blah. ----- Original Message ----- From: K To: For all discussion not animal related (health, environment,etc). Called ", chat",because this is for all kinds of frequent interaction. Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 12:10 PM Subject: Re: [VegChat] veggie lit PLUS MORE STUFF> I won't be too worried about that site; it talks a lot about meditation, some of its content reminded me of buddism: http://www.godsdirectcontact.org/eng/quanyin.html The Supreme Master Ching Hai initiates sincere spiritual aspirants into the Quan Yin Method -- the same practice that was taught by Jesus Christ, Buddha, and other Saints. The Chinese characters, Quan Yin, mean "contemplation of the sound current." The Method involves meditation on the Inner Light and the Inner Sound of God, or the Word (Logos) as referred to in the Bible and acknowledged repeatedly in the literature of all the world's major spiritual traditions. Through this practice you can gain a happy and more relaxed life, liberate yourself, and save five generations of your family. The Quan Yin Method requires two and a half hours of meditation per day and adherence to the following five precepts: a.. Refrain from taking the life of sentient beings (*) b.. Refrain from speaking what is not true; c.. Refrain from taking what is not offered; d.. Refrain from sexual misconduct; e.. Refrain from the use of intoxicants (**) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ (*) This precept requires strict adherence to a vegan of lacto-vegetarian diet. No meat, fish, poultry or eggs (fertile or nonfertile). (**) This includes avoiding alcohol, drugs, tobacco, gambling, pornography, and excessively violent films or literature.(All poisonsof any kind) vaalea wrote: On the other hand, the url name"Godsdirectcontact", and the animals saying things like "we pray for you" and I'm pretty sure on the actual flyer.."we will give you more milk" or something.... all looks a little... odd. We had a stack dropped off at our unattended veg table at the Ecofair. Also, re isolation etc... and transportation... I wish that they would do MORE to encourage telecommuting which helps alleviate the traffic and pollution problems, and probably affects the rounds of sicknesses. Bus Pass Tax Break Starting in July 2006 you could be eligible for a tax break for your bus passes. Only catch is that you need to save your old passes for the tax break starting in July. So keep your old passes, they really could be worth something now. This would be valid for your 2006 return. http://www.octranspo.com/Whats_New/TaxBreak_menuE.htm Theatre - In the Park Salamander Theatre - All's Well That Ends Well (Amateur/Kids) http://www.salamandertheatre.ca/shakespeare.html A Company of Fools - Two Gentlemen of Verona http://www.fools.ca/ Odyssey Theatre - Bungsu and the Big Snake http://www.odysseytheatre.ca/strathcona1.html Dose Sustainability Tips http://www.dose.ca/ottawa/news/story.html?id=69f43ac8-8785-433f-b45b-3171c9b853de Bridgehead sent an email saying that they honestly had no recollection of the recipes being sent back in September and thanking me for them.... so..... lets hope that they try them and like them!!! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ All new Yahoo! Mail ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get news delivered. Enjoy RSS feeds right on your Mail page. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ottawaveg.com/pipermail/vegchat/attachments/20060710/19b1b6d5/attachment.html From pekieca at yahoo.com Mon Jul 10 17:50:20 2006 From: pekieca at yahoo.com (K) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 13:50:20 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [VegChat] veggie lit PLUS MORE STUFF> In-Reply-To: <010101c6a443$e9b40110$6400a8c0@v> Message-ID: <20060710175020.64950.qmail@web52707.mail.yahoo.com> yeah, its like sri chamoy? (sp?) or whatever their name is....regardless, its always good to hear groups advocate a move away from meat eating... i copied from their site....so that is their stuff on there...not my comments vaalea wrote: I'm not worried (and I did look around the website at that stuff before), but I still think it looks odd to give out to the general public - like Govindas or Perfection Satisfaction Promise..some people ARE a little weirded out by that kind of thing. I wasn't sure what you meant by "vegan of lacto-vegetarian diet." but then I realized it was supposed to be OR.. tehe. That certainly explains the "we will give you more milk" I saw on the pamphlet.... but doesn't explain what they do [or think should be done] with all the bull calves born.... at least until the technology happens that through artificial insemination they are able to produce only heifer calves (and the occasional bull necessary)... see http://www.moomilk.com/archive/dairy_p_40.htm ...blah. ----- Original Message ----- From: K To: For all discussion not animal related (health, environment,etc). Called ", chat",because this is for all kinds of frequent interaction. Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 12:10 PM Subject: Re: [VegChat] veggie lit PLUS MORE STUFF> I won't be too worried about that site; it talks a lot about meditation, some of its content reminded me of buddism: http://www.godsdirectcontact.org/eng/quanyin.html The Supreme Master Ching Hai initiates sincere spiritual aspirants into the Quan Yin Method -- the same practice that was taught by Jesus Christ, Buddha, and other Saints. The Chinese characters, Quan Yin, mean "contemplation of the sound current." The Method involves meditation on the Inner Light and the Inner Sound of God, or the Word (Logos) as referred to in the Bible and acknowledged repeatedly in the literature of all the world's major spiritual traditions. Through this practice you can gain a happy and more relaxed life, liberate yourself, and save five generations of your family. The Quan Yin Method requires two and a half hours of meditation per day and adherence to the following five precepts: Refrain from taking the life of sentient beings (*) Refrain from speaking what is not true; Refrain from taking what is not offered; Refrain from sexual misconduct; Refrain from the use of intoxicants (**) --------------------------------- (*) This precept requires strict adherence to a vegan of lacto-vegetarian diet. No meat, fish, poultry or eggs (fertile or nonfertile). (**) This includes avoiding alcohol, drugs, tobacco, gambling, pornography, and excessively violent films or literature.(All poisonsof any kind) vaalea wrote: On the other hand, the url name"Godsdirectcontact", and the animals saying things like "we pray for you" and I'm pretty sure on the actual flyer.."we will give you more milk" or something.... all looks a little... odd. We had a stack dropped off at our unattended veg table at the Ecofair. Also, re isolation etc... and transportation... I wish that they would do MORE to encourage telecommuting which helps alleviate the traffic and pollution problems, and probably affects the rounds of sicknesses. Bus Pass Tax Break Starting in July 2006 you could be eligible for a tax break for your bus passes. Only catch is that you need to save your old passes for the tax break starting in July. So keep your old passes, they really could be worth something now. This would be valid for your 2006 return. http://www.octranspo.com/Whats_New/TaxBreak_menuE.htm Theatre - In the Park Salamander Theatre - All's Well That Ends Well (Amateur/Kids) http://www.salamandertheatre.ca/shakespeare.html A Company of Fools - Two Gentlemen of Verona http://www.fools.ca/ Odyssey Theatre - Bungsu and the Big Snake http://www.odysseytheatre.ca/strathcona1.html Dose Sustainability Tips http://www.dose.ca/ottawa/news/story.html?id=69f43ac8-8785-433f-b45b-3171c9b853de Bridgehead sent an email saying that they honestly had no recollection of the recipes being sent back in September and thanking me for them.... so..... lets hope that they try them and like them!!! --------------------------------- All new Yahoo! Mail --------------------------------- Get news delivered. Enjoy RSS feeds right on your Mail page. --------------------------------- All new Yahoo! Mail --------------------------------- Get news delivered. Enjoy RSS feeds right on your Mail page. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ottawaveg.com/pipermail/vegchat/attachments/20060710/c914bc8e/attachment.html From tabbott3730 at rogers.com Fri Jul 21 00:43:20 2006 From: tabbott3730 at rogers.com (TRACY ABBOTT) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 17:43:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [VegChat] roomie needed Message-ID: <20060721004320.18551.qmail@web88001.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I am looking for a non-smoking vegetarian roommate to move in August 1 or September 1. I am a single professional, living in centretown and I have a very friendly Golden Retriever. I have a two bedroom apartment on the second floor of a old heritage home that has been beautifully renovated (11 ft ceilings with crown mouldings). It is quite large (1600 square feet) and fully furnished (except bedroom number two). There are two bathrooms, laundry facilities, hardwood floors, a working fireplace, and The rent is $1350 total. So $675 each. Plus hydro (approx. $50 every two months total) and oil/hotwater tank (approx. $80 a month total). Heat is included. A personality match is very important to me. I am looking for someone who is responsible and easy going. Please email me at tabbott3730 at rogers.com or call me at 613-867-3730 (cell) or 996-1723 (work) if you are interested. Thanks! Tracey -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ottawaveg.com/pipermail/vegchat/attachments/20060720/6dd9cf76/attachment.html From mark at simplyraw.ca Fri Jul 21 03:36:32 2006 From: mark at simplyraw.ca (Mark (SimplyRaw)) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 23:36:32 -0400 Subject: [VegChat] Next Friday July 28: Raw Vegan Potluck ** Please RSVP Message-ID: <44C04BC0.8000906@simplyraw.ca> Hi Everyone, Time for another mouth watering raw vegan get together: Date: Friday July 28 Time: 6:30pm - 9:30pm Location: St. Giles Church, 174 First Ave. (South side of First Ave, just east of Bank St). Non-Profit Cost: $3 (to cover venue rental & expenses) Please *reply to this message* to register & *Let us know what dish you plan to bring to the potluck* Thanks to those who have been helping us with the cleanup! We're looking for 2-3 volunteers again this month to spend 15-20 minutes helping with the clean-up at the end of the evening. Please let us know if you can help with the clean-up. Finally, please read the guidelines and recipe links listed below - helpful reminders to ensure the potlucks are enjoyable for everyone. Warm Regards, Natasha & Mark www.simplyraw.ca Potluck Guidelines: ------------------- * Each adult should bring a raw food dish of 8-10 adult portions * Please be conservative with your portions (there's usually plenty of food for seconds!) * Dishes should be 100% raw vegan: o Fresh fruit & veggies, soaked/sprouted nuts, seeds, legumes, grains o NO animal products (no meat, dairy, fish, eggs, or honey) o NO cooking at all (nothing steamed, baked, fried, canned, etc) o Dehydrated food below 115 degrees Fahrenheit is acceptable o NO tofu or soy-derived products (cooked & highly processed) o NO commercial salad dressings (highly processed & cooked) * Please list all ingredients (with your name) to help those with allergies * All fruits & vegetables should be properly washed & ready to be enjoyed as is. Fruit should be ripe & ready to eat If you need some suggestions or advice about preparing a raw vegan dish, please check out www.rawfoods.com/recipes www.simplyraw.ca/recipes.php or contact us at potlucks at simplyraw.ca. From edandrea at magma.ca Fri Jul 21 20:27:47 2006 From: edandrea at magma.ca (Edelweiss D'Andrea) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 16:27:47 -0400 Subject: [VegChat] Public demonstration, Saturday, July 22nd at 11 am on Parliament Hill for Lebanon and Palestine Message-ID: MessageWhy pressure the Canadian government? Since last Thursday, Israel attacks have killed more than 300 innocent civilians in Lebanon, hurt hundreds more and forced the displacement of hundreds of thousands more. Adding up to this are the damages to main transport and communication means for the country, effectively trapping the population inside. During that time, the Canadian government spports (more than all other states, including the United States) the Israel military strikes unconditionally. This is the image Canada is now sending to the rest of the world... even if most of us believe war is a last resort, that the terrorization and killing of innocent civilians is not a valid means of defense, like it is said explicity in the Fourth Geneva Convention on the protection of civilians (1949). The same type of "collective punishment" is currently applied to the inhabitants of the Gaza Strip by the Israel Defense Forces. What to do? 1 - Write to the Prime Minister (Stephen Harper - Harper.S at parl.gc.ca ), to the Foreign Affairs minister (Peter McKay - Mackay.P at parl.gc.ca ). Send a copy of your message to your MP: ( http://webinfo.parl.gc.ca/MembersOfParliament/MainMPsCompleteList.aspx?TimeP eriod=Current&Language=E), and to the medias: Ottawa: Le Droit (French, alarocque at ledroit.com), Ottawa Citizen (English, letters at thecitizen.canwest.com ) National: La Presse (French , forum at lapresse.ca), Le Devoir (French, redaction at ledevoir.com ), The Globe and Mail (English, egreenspon at globeandmail.com ), The National Post (English, http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/info/contactus/mailto.html?name=Letters&S UBJECT=Letter%20To%20The%20Editor) 2 - Participate to the public demonstrations (July 22nd): http://www.acp-cpa.ca/en/Palestineaction.htm in Ottawa, the demonstration will be at 11 AM on Parliament Hill. 3 - Encourage people you know to do the same. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- _______________________________________________ Ac-f2005 mailing list Ac-f2005 at lists.mutualaid.org http://lists.mutualaid.org/mailman/listinfo/ac-f2005 free hosting by http://www.mutualaid.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ottawaveg.com/pipermail/vegchat/attachments/20060721/d0c6786b/attachment.html From em664 at freenet.carleton.ca Sat Jul 22 16:28:08 2006 From: em664 at freenet.carleton.ca (David Scott) Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 12:28:08 -0400 Subject: [VegChat] Public demonstration, Saturday, July 22nd at 11 am on Parliament Hill for Lebanon and Palestine In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <44C25218.9050000@ncf.ca> Remember that, The terrorist group Hezbollah in Lebanon has murdered literally hundreds of innocent people in bomb attacks carried out on public transit buses. The U.N. as asked the government of Lebanon to disarm Hezbollah, the last time in 2004. But the government of Lebanon has been unwilling or unable to do so. Hezbollah deliberately targets the civilian population. Innocent people on a public transit bus are a target the same as army soldiers. Recently the Hezbollah had been receiving weapons from Iran. Some more advanced weapons that even the Canadian military does not have. It's unfortunate that this situation has resulted in these brutal attacks. From waynesawtell at hotmail.com Sat Jul 22 22:40:57 2006 From: waynesawtell at hotmail.com (wayne sawtell) Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 18:40:57 -0400 Subject: [VegChat] URGENT! HELP! In-Reply-To: <20060721004320.18551.qmail@web88001.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Dear all vegans out there, I am starting a new job that requires I wear stell-toed work boots or shoes. I don't want to buy leather or anything involving cruelty to animals. Does anyone know of a store in Ottawa or a web-based shop that can deliver to Ottawa pretty quickly (by this coming Friday) that sells vegan work boots or shoes (preferably shoes)? I tried the vegetarianshoes.com website but they are based in England and don't have sizes anywhere close to big enough for me. I need men's size 12. PLEASE SEND SUGGESTIONS AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. PLEASE. with panic, Wayne _________________________________________________________________ Play Q6 for your chance to WIN great prizes. http://q6trivia.imagine-live.com/enca/landing From v at vaalea.com Sat Jul 22 23:04:44 2006 From: v at vaalea.com (vaalea) Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 19:04:44 -0400 Subject: [VegChat] URGENT! HELP! References: Message-ID: <03b501c6ade3$39933d10$6500a8c0@v> Do you think it would be possible to buy vegan work boots/shoes and have a steel toe made and inserted (maybe a shoe repair place would have steel toes? I have no idea if it's possible.... This is USA? http://www.thevegetariansite.com/cgi-bin/miva?Merchant2/merchant.mv+Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=S&Category_Code=safety http://www.thevegetariansite.com/cgi-bin/miva?Merchant2/merchant.mv+Screen=PROD&Store_Code=S&Product_Code=Vegetarian+Shoes+Site+Boot&Category_Code=safety here is a shoe from mooshoes: http://www.mooshoes.com/invoice_variant.cgi?rm=edit&product_id=4846 more websites here: http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=steel+toe+vegan&btnG=Search&meta= within Ottawa, I don't know... basically the cheapest stores are most likely to not have leather... but you may want to phone around to them about steel toes before making the trip. ----- Original Message ----- From: "wayne sawtell" To: Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 6:40 PM Subject: [VegChat] URGENT! HELP! > Dear all vegans out there, > > I am starting a new job that requires I wear stell-toed work boots or > shoes. I don't want to buy leather or anything involving cruelty to > animals. Does anyone know of a store in Ottawa or a web-based shop that > can deliver to Ottawa pretty quickly (by this coming Friday) that sells > vegan work boots or shoes (preferably shoes)? I tried the > vegetarianshoes.com website but they are based in England and don't have > sizes anywhere close to big enough for me. I need men's size 12. > > PLEASE SEND SUGGESTIONS AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. PLEASE. > > with panic, > Wayne > > _________________________________________________________________ > Play Q6 for your chance to WIN great prizes. > http://q6trivia.imagine-live.com/enca/landing > > From satelliterobot at hotmail.com Sun Jul 23 00:51:47 2006 From: satelliterobot at hotmail.com (Satellite Robot) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 00:51:47 +0000 Subject: [VegChat] URGENT! HELP! In-Reply-To: <03b501c6ade3$39933d10$6500a8c0@v> Message-ID: As a last resort, you may try rubber boots. Ther are some that have steel toes and the green triangle safety seal thing - available in most bigger farm supply stores. That's what I used when I went tree planting. Not very comfortable, but... Anyway, Something like what I'm talking about can be seen at the Marks Work Wearhouse site at http://www.marks.com/ctwnew/mwwhweb.nsf Good Luck. Erin >From: "vaalea" >Reply-To: "For all discussion not animal related (health, environment,etc). >Called " chat"because this is for all kinds of frequent >interaction." >To: "For all discussion not animal related (health, environment,etc). >Called" chat" because this is for all kinds of frequent >interaction." >Subject: Re: [VegChat] URGENT! HELP! >Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 19:04:44 -0400 > >Do you think it would be possible to buy vegan work boots/shoes and have a >steel toe made and inserted (maybe a shoe repair place would have steel >toes? I have no idea if it's possible.... > >This is USA? >http://www.thevegetariansite.com/cgi-bin/miva?Merchant2/merchant.mv+Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=S&Category_Code=safety >http://www.thevegetariansite.com/cgi-bin/miva?Merchant2/merchant.mv+Screen=PROD&Store_Code=S&Product_Code=Vegetarian+Shoes+Site+Boot&Category_Code=safety > >here is a shoe from mooshoes: >http://www.mooshoes.com/invoice_variant.cgi?rm=edit&product_id=4846 > >more websites here: >http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=steel+toe+vegan&btnG=Search&meta= > >within Ottawa, I don't know... basically the cheapest stores are most >likely to not have leather... but you may want to phone around to them >about steel toes before making the trip. > > >----- Original Message ----- From: "wayne sawtell" > >To: >Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 6:40 PM >Subject: [VegChat] URGENT! HELP! > > >>Dear all vegans out there, >> >>I am starting a new job that requires I wear stell-toed work boots or >>shoes. I don't want to buy leather or anything involving cruelty to >>animals. Does anyone know of a store in Ottawa or a web-based shop that >>can deliver to Ottawa pretty quickly (by this coming Friday) that sells >>vegan work boots or shoes (preferably shoes)? I tried the >>vegetarianshoes.com website but they are based in England and don't have >>sizes anywhere close to big enough for me. I need men's size 12. >> >>PLEASE SEND SUGGESTIONS AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. PLEASE. >> >>with panic, >>Wayne >> >>_________________________________________________________________ >>Play Q6 for your chance to WIN great prizes. >>http://q6trivia.imagine-live.com/enca/landing >> >> > From edandrea at magma.ca Sun Jul 23 16:00:36 2006 From: edandrea at magma.ca (Edelweiss DAndrea) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 12:00:36 -0400 Subject: [VegChat] Public demonstration, Saturday, July 22nd at 11 am on Parliament Hill for Lebanon and Palestine Message-ID: <200607231600.k6NG0a67016875@www-webmail2.magma.ca> Hello David, The public demonstration was not in support of Hezbollah. Rather, it was a protest against the powerful attacks on Lebanon and Palestine, which have been downplayed by the media. While there is violence by Israelis, Palestians, and the Lebanese militia Hezbollah, the number of Palestian and Lebanese dead and wounded or being held captive in Israeli prisons far exceeds the number of Israelis dead and wounded or being held captive in Palestinian and Lebanese prisons. You mention that Hezbollah has murdered hundreds of innocent people in bomb attacks carried out on public transit buses. Why not mention Israel's many well-documented attacks on Palestinian and Lebanese civilians prior to the latest round of bomb attacks? Over forty-nine Palestian civilians (many of them women and children) were killed in June 2006 before the Israeli soldier was abducted. The same can be said for prisoners. Among those imprisoned in Israeli jails are 359 Palestinian children, 105 Palestinian female adults and over 9000 Arab males (mostly Palestian), including 1000 "administrative detainees" currently being held without charge. Israeli military courts say that these people are terrorists, but many groups despute this. In contrast, two Israeli soldiers are being help captive in Lebanon and one in Gaza. I sincerely hope they will all be released healthy and unharmed. I attended another rally this week, that of Jewish and Arab Women for Peace. Jewish and Arab women from Ottawa united in their call for an end to the violence in the region. They spoke of how the destiny of the Jewish and Arab peoples are interlinked, and that there can be no winners unless they build a future together. I want the rocket attacks on Haifa and other Israeli towns to cease immediately. Nevertheless, to make all of Gaza and Lebanon pay for the attacks is unfair and unacceptable. The UN's Jan Egeland has condemned the devastation caused by Israeli air strikes in Beirut, saying it is a violation of humanitarian law. Mr Egeland, the UN's emergency relief chief, described the destruction as "horrific" as he toured the city. Respectfully yours, Edelweiss On Jul 22, David Scott wrote: > > Remember that, > > The terrorist group Hezbollah in Lebanon has murdered literally hundreds > of innocent people in bomb attacks carried out on public transit buses. > The U.N. as asked the government of Lebanon to disarm Hezbollah, the > last time in 2004. But the government of Lebanon has been unwilling or > unable to do so. > > Hezbollah deliberately targets the civilian population. Innocent people > on a public transit bus are a target the same as army soldiers. > > Recently the Hezbollah had been receiving weapons from Iran. Some more > advanced weapons that even the Canadian military does not have. It's > unfortunate that this situation has resulted in these brutal attacks. > From zenjanni at yahoo.com Sun Jul 23 17:29:24 2006 From: zenjanni at yahoo.com (mike Gogu) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 10:29:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [VegChat] URGENT! HELP! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060723172924.58250.qmail@web30202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> maybe goretex would substitute ok for leather? otherwise, i donno how to help. m_g --- wayne sawtell wrote: > Dear all vegans out there, > > I am starting a new job that requires I wear > stell-toed work boots or shoes. > I don't want to buy leather or anything involving > cruelty to animals. Does > anyone know of a store in Ottawa or a web-based shop > that can deliver to > Ottawa pretty quickly (by this coming Friday) that > sells vegan work boots or > shoes (preferably shoes)? I tried the > vegetarianshoes.com website but they > are based in England and don't have sizes anywhere > close to big enough for > me. I need men's size 12. > > PLEASE SEND SUGGESTIONS AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. PLEASE. > > with panic, > Wayne > > _________________________________________________________________ > Play Q6 for your chance to WIN great prizes. > http://q6trivia.imagine-live.com/enca/landing > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From uhuman at gmail.com Mon Jul 24 00:22:01 2006 From: uhuman at gmail.com (uHuman) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 20:22:01 -0400 Subject: [VegChat] Watch "Biofuels: Think Outside The Barrel" on Google Video In-Reply-To: <23585840.741153699699607.JavaMail.video@pyia6.prod.google.com> References: <23585840.741153699699607.JavaMail.video@pyia6.prod.google.com> Message-ID: *Biofuels : Think Outside The Barrel * http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-570288889128950913&q=Ethanol Back to ecology ... A presentation (description below) that i really got into, discussing the economics, a wee bit about the ecology, and the practicality of replacing fossil fuel with pure ethanol. I ended up watching the entire hour although 10 minutes of it will give you a good idea of what he's talking about. Fascinating. Did you know Brazil is already more than half switched over to ethanol, the technology is here today and it's very cheap. Did you know the additional cost per car to allow pure ethanol use is around $30. Did you know we'd all save 30% at the gas pumps if we were on ethanol, and that likely prices could fall from there. It also seems using cellulose derived ethanol avoids a lot of ecological issues the current corn derived ethanol has and actually sucks carbon out of the air and pops it back into the ground if you use the right plants. *Description:* Google TechTalks March 29, 2006 Vinod Khosla Vinod Khosla is a venture capitalist considered one of the most successful and influential personalities in Silicon Valley. He was one of the co-founders of Sun Microsystems and became a general partner of the venture capital firm Kleiner, Perkins, Caufield & Byers in 1986. In 2004 he formed Khosla Ventures. ABSTRACT On Wednesday, March 29th, by invitation from our co-founders and CEO, our special guest, Vinod Khosla, visited Google to deliver a tech talk about the emergence of ethanol as a viable, market ready, and competitive source of renewable energy. His presentation has been making huge waves in the investor, policy, and business communities and we are privileged to have had him take time to talk to us about the tremendous potential for ethanol's explosion into the market. Here are some recent articles that might be of interest in relation to this talk: Vinod Khosla, a Silicon Valley billionaire, who wants to save the world from oil http://www.economist.com/people/displaystory.cfm?story_id=5655161 On the Ethanol Bandwagon, Big Names and Big Risks http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/26/business/yourmoney/26etha.html?_r=1&oref=login -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ottawaveg.com/pipermail/vegchat/attachments/20060723/53cbe3a5/attachment.html From uhuman at gmail.com Mon Jul 24 01:02:12 2006 From: uhuman at gmail.com (uHuman) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 21:02:12 -0400 Subject: [VegChat] URGENT! HELP! In-Reply-To: <20060723172924.58250.qmail@web30202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060723172924.58250.qmail@web30202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: gortex is usually a thin waterproof membrane between two layers, not an outer material. i have a few other ideas if this one proves too difficult: (all of which are not ideal but perhaps more realistic) - buy some used leather work boots, that way you're extending the use of something already in circulation - buy leather ones but make up for it some way. the world is far from imperfect, for example i have a car which is very bad ecologically. the idea is to improve the world and leave a small footprint. ideas to make up: * get two friends to buy vegan shoes instead of meat based. * donate some money to an organization promoting vegan materials * this one would well make up for it if it works: buy the leathers, but over the next month or two find a place that make the ones you want (vegan). put up posters and get the normal supply stores to carry those shoes. if successful you'll likely get dozens or more people to buy the vegan ones. a place liek mec might be interested in carrying that kind of boot although a "workman" boot place would be better. * call up the place in england such as http://www.surplusandoutdoors.com/ishop/877/shopscr29.html and ask them if they know who the rep in canada is. there's likely some shop with it. by the way can't stuff be shipped like in less than 5 days from england ? might have to purolator it but it'd get here (with some risk). On 7/23/06, mike Gogu wrote: > > maybe goretex would substitute ok for leather? > > otherwise, i donno how to help. > > > m_g > > > > --- wayne sawtell wrote: > > > Dear all vegans out there, > > > > I am starting a new job that requires I wear > > stell-toed work boots or shoes. > > I don't want to buy leather or anything involving > > cruelty to animals. Does > > anyone know of a store in Ottawa or a web-based shop > > that can deliver to > > Ottawa pretty quickly (by this coming Friday) that > > sells vegan work boots or > > shoes (preferably shoes)? I tried the > > vegetarianshoes.com website but they > > are based in England and don't have sizes anywhere > > close to big enough for > > me. I need men's size 12. > > > > PLEASE SEND SUGGESTIONS AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. PLEASE. > > > > with panic, > > Wayne > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Play Q6 for your chance to WIN great prizes. > > http://q6trivia.imagine-live.com/enca/landing > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > -- micha?l -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ottawaveg.com/pipermail/vegchat/attachments/20060723/13867df4/attachment.html From benell77 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 24 01:12:39 2006 From: benell77 at yahoo.com (Rene Lalonde) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 18:12:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [VegChat] URGENT! HELP! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060724011239.92902.qmail@web34311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hello Wayne, Payless shoes have manmade leather steel toe work boots made by Stanley. Just make sure to check because not all their safety boots are manmade leather. wayne sawtell wrote: Dear all vegans out there, I am starting a new job that requires I wear stell-toed work boots or shoes. I don't want to buy leather or anything involving cruelty to animals. Does anyone know of a store in Ottawa or a web-based shop that can deliver to Ottawa pretty quickly (by this coming Friday) that sells vegan work boots or shoes (preferably shoes)? I tried the vegetarianshoes.com website but they are based in England and don't have sizes anywhere close to big enough for me. I need men's size 12. PLEASE SEND SUGGESTIONS AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. PLEASE. with panic, Wayne _________________________________________________________________ Play Q6 for your chance to WIN great prizes. http://q6trivia.imagine-live.com/enca/landing --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ottawaveg.com/pipermail/vegchat/attachments/20060723/848c5b5c/attachment.html From dr.dreammaker at gmail.com Mon Jul 24 02:40:46 2006 From: dr.dreammaker at gmail.com (dr.dreammaker) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 22:40:46 -0400 Subject: [VegChat] URGENT! HELP! In-Reply-To: <20060723172924.58250.qmail@web30202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060723172924.58250.qmail@web30202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: there is a store in toronto (in kensington market) that sells vegan shoes... i'm not sure of the name of the place... but if you contact urban herbivore i'm certain that they would know... i know that store carries vegetarian shoes, etc... perhaps they could order some in or maybe even carry some normally.. and toronto is MUCH closer than england! hope that helps! xo. kelly. On 7/23/06, mike Gogu wrote: > > maybe goretex would substitute ok for leather? > > otherwise, i donno how to help. > > > m_g > > > > --- wayne sawtell wrote: > > > Dear all vegans out there, > > > > I am starting a new job that requires I wear > > stell-toed work boots or shoes. > > I don't want to buy leather or anything involving > > cruelty to animals. Does > > anyone know of a store in Ottawa or a web-based shop > > that can deliver to > > Ottawa pretty quickly (by this coming Friday) that > > sells vegan work boots or > > shoes (preferably shoes)? I tried the > > vegetarianshoes.com website but they > > are based in England and don't have sizes anywhere > > close to big enough for > > me. I need men's size 12. > > > > PLEASE SEND SUGGESTIONS AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. PLEASE. > > > > with panic, > > Wayne > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Play Q6 for your chance to WIN great prizes. > > http://q6trivia.imagine-live.com/enca/landing > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > -- you won't know what hit you. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ottawaveg.com/pipermail/vegchat/attachments/20060723/a0624098/attachment.html From tash_f at hotmail.com Mon Jul 24 11:59:55 2006 From: tash_f at hotmail.com (Tash .) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 11:59:55 +0000 Subject: [VegChat] found steel toe boots! (hopefully) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: payless has man made steel toe boots! i knew they would pull through. even checked to see if they have them in size 12 and they do! cheap too..34.99. here is the site you can purchase from, and hey, we have payless here in canada you may even be able to walk right into one and pick them up! here's the description and ordering address: http://www.payless.com/Catalog/ProductDetail.aspx?&TLC=Mens&SLC=MensBoots&BLC=MensBootsWork&Width=Regular&ItemCode=5850&LotNumber=000211&Type=Adult&Popularity=75&DescriptiveColor=Black tash >From: dr.dreammaker >Reply-To: "For all discussion not animal related (health, environment,etc). >Called " chat"because this is for all kinds of frequent >interaction." >To: "For all discussion not animal related (health, environment,etc). >Called ", chat",because this is for all kinds of frequent >interaction." >Subject: Re: [VegChat] URGENT! HELP! >Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 22:40:46 -0400 > >there is a store in toronto (in kensington market) that sells vegan >shoes... >i'm not sure of the name of the place... but if you contact urban herbivore >i'm certain that they would know... > >i know that store carries vegetarian shoes, etc... perhaps they could order >s ome in or maybe even carry some normally.. and toronto is MUCH >closer than >england! > >hope that helps! > >xo. > >kelly. > >On 7/23/06, mike Gogu wrote: >> >>maybe goretex would substitute ok for leather? >> >>otherwise, i donno how to help. >> >> >>m_g >> >> >> >>--- wayne sawtell wrote: >> >> > Dear all vegans out there, >> > >> > I am starting a new job that requires I wear >> > stell-toed work boots or shoes. >> > I don't want to buy leather or anything involving >> > cruelty to animals. Does >> > anyone know of a store in Ottawa or a web-based shop >> > that can deliver to >> > Ottawa pretty quickly (by this coming Friday) that >> > sells vegan work boots or >> > shoes (preferably shoes)? I tried the >> > vegetarianshoes.com website but they >> > are based in England and don't have sizes anywhere >> > close to big enough for >> > me. I need men's size 12. >> > >> > PLEASE SEND SUGGESTIONS AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. PLEASE. >> > >> > with panic, >> > Wayne >> > >> > >>_________________________________________________________________ >> > Play Q6 for your chance to WIN great prizes. >> > http://q6trivia.imagine-live.com/enca/landing >> > >> > >> >> >>__________________________________________________ >>Do You Yahoo!? >>Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >>http://mail.yahoo.com >> > > > >-- >you won't know what hit you. From pekieca at yahoo.com Mon Jul 24 15:29:00 2006 From: pekieca at yahoo.com (K) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 11:29:00 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [VegChat] URGENT! HELP! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060724152900.77331.qmail@web52705.mail.yahoo.com> Buying second hand leather work boots is a good idea. Part of the "reduce, reuse, recycle" philosophy... One difficulty I have always had with some vegan shoes is that they are made from plastic, which incorporates oil and chemicals. and oil being a finite resource.... uHuman wrote: gortex is usually a thin waterproof membrane between two layers, not an outer material. i have a few other ideas if this one proves too difficult: (all of which are not ideal but perhaps more realistic) - buy some used leather work boots, that way you're extending the use of something already in circulation - buy leather ones but make up for it some way. the world is far from imperfect, for example i have a car which is very bad ecologically. the idea is to improve the world and leave a small footprint. ideas to make up: * get two friends to buy vegan shoes instead of meat based. * donate some money to an organization promoting vegan materials * this one would well make up for it if it works: buy the leathers, but over the next month or two find a place that make the ones you want (vegan). put up posters and get the normal supply stores to carry those shoes. if successful you'll likely get dozens or more people to buy the vegan ones. a place liek mec might be interested in carrying that kind of boot although a "workman" boot place would be better. * call up the place in england such as http://www.surplusandoutdoors.com/ishop/877/shopscr29.html and ask them if they know who the rep in canada is. there's likely some shop with it. by the way can't stuff be shipped like in less than 5 days from england ? might have to purolator it but it'd get here (with some risk). On 7/23/06, mike Gogu wrote: maybe goretex would substitute ok for leather? otherwise, i donno how to help. m_g --- wayne sawtell wrote: > Dear all vegans out there, > > I am starting a new job that requires I wear > stell-toed work boots or shoes. > I don't want to buy leather or anything involving > cruelty to animals. Does > anyone know of a store in Ottawa or a web-based shop > that can deliver to > Ottawa pretty quickly (by this coming Friday) that > sells vegan work boots or > shoes (preferably shoes)? I tried the > vegetarianshoes.com website but they > are based in England and don't have sizes anywhere > close to big enough for > me. I need men's size 12. > > PLEASE SEND SUGGESTIONS AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. PLEASE. > > with panic, > Wayne > > _________________________________________________________________ > Play Q6 for your chance to WIN great prizes. > http://q6trivia.imagine-live.com/enca/landing > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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URL: http://lists.ottawaveg.com/pipermail/vegchat/attachments/20060724/a9c0e396/attachment.html From waynesawtell at hotmail.com Tue Jul 25 20:45:43 2006 From: waynesawtell at hotmail.com (wayne sawtell) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 16:45:43 -0400 Subject: [VegChat] THANKS for suggestions on vegan workboots In-Reply-To: <20060724011239.92902.qmail@web34311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: i am not used to using veg chat. i thought i was responding to everyone individually. anyway, in summary i will just say thanks to everyone for the suggestions on either where to get vegan workboots or how to resolve the situation. wayne _________________________________________________________________ Play Q6 for your chance to WIN great prizes. http://q6trivia.imagine-live.com/enca/landing From v at vaalea.com Fri Jul 28 01:28:02 2006 From: v at vaalea.com (vaalea) Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 21:28:02 -0400 Subject: [VegChat] farmer's market and herb fest Message-ID: <004201c6b1e5$120432d0$6500a8c0@v> So I went down to the Lansdowne farmers market and it was pretty nice. cookin meat tho. so one guy there tried to sell me a chocolate mint plant. sounds interesting, but I said I would think about it. he gave me a brochure on the http://www.herbfest.ca that is happening on Sunday and I thought I'd let you all know about it. Saturday there is a meetup at Ceylonta... there are so many of you who came semi regularly and then disappeared..... come join us again everyone! 12 people have RSVPed YES, and 4 have said maybe!!!!! This could be our largest gathering yet??http://vegetarian.meetup.com/6/events/4970971/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ottawaveg.com/pipermail/vegchat/attachments/20060727/926e5f05/attachment.html From jdunlop at connect.carleton.ca Fri Jul 28 15:28:33 2006 From: jdunlop at connect.carleton.ca (Jayme Dunlop) Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 11:28:33 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [VegChat] URGENT! HELP! Message-ID: <6248638.1154100513972.JavaMail.jdunlop@connect.carleton.ca> The place is called left feet. http://www.leftfeet.ca/ Bought a pair of shoes there a few weeks back, nice place but definitly not cheap. dr.dreammaker wrote: >there is a store in toronto (in kensington market) that sells vegan shoes... >i'm not sure of the name of the place... but if you contact urban herbivore >i'm certain that they would know... > >i know that store carries vegetarian shoes, etc... perhaps they could order >some in or maybe even carry some normally.. and toronto is MUCH closer than >england! > >hope that helps! > >xo. > >kelly. > >On 7/23/06, mike Gogu wrote: >> >> maybe goretex would substitute ok for leather? >> >> otherwise, i donno how to help. >> >> >> m_g >> >> >> >> --- wayne sawtell wrote: >> >> > Dear all vegans out there, >> > >> > I am starting a new job that requires I wear >> > stell-toed work boots or shoes. >> > I don't want to buy leather or anything involving >> > cruelty to animals. Does >> > anyone know of a store in Ottawa or a web-based shop >> > that can deliver to >> > Ottawa pretty quickly (by this coming Friday) that >> > sells vegan work boots or >> > shoes (preferably shoes)? I tried the >> > vegetarianshoes.com website but they >> > are based in England and don't have sizes anywhere >> > close to big enough for >> > me. I need men's size 12. >> > >> > PLEASE SEND SUGGESTIONS AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. PLEASE. >> > >> > with panic, >> > Wayne >> > >> > >> _________________________________________________________________ >> > Play Q6 for your chance to WIN great prizes. >> > http://q6trivia.imagine-live.com/enca/landing >> > >> > >> >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Do You Yahoo!? >> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >> http://mail.yahoo.com >> > > > >-- >you won't know what hit you. > ------------ 416.825.9534 From v at vaalea.com Mon Jul 31 05:25:56 2006 From: v at vaalea.com (vaalea) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 01:25:56 -0400 Subject: [VegChat] Vegan diet best for diabetes Message-ID: <000601c6b461$cd9b1d00$6500a8c0@v> http://news.google.ca/nwshp?hl=en&tab=wn&ncl=http://www.wistv.com/Global/story.asp%3FS%3D5212647 Researchers have found that people who followed a low-fat vegan diet, cutting out all meat and dairy, lowered their blood sugar more and lost more weight than people on an American Diabetes Association diet. According to a study by researchers from George Washington University, the University of Toronto and the University of North Carolina the participants lowered their cholesterol more and ended up with better kidney function, than a group following the standard American Diabetes Association diet. It appears the vegan diet was far easier to follow than most because it did not demand that portions be measured or calories counted; only three of the vegan dieters dropped out of the study, compared to eight on the standard diet. Dr. Neal Barnard, president of the Physician's Committee for Responsible Medicine, which helped conduct the study, says he hopes the findings will encourage dietary changes first, rather than prescription drugs. It is estimated that as many as 18 million Americans have type-2 diabetes, which results from a combination of genetics and poor eating and exercise habits. The condition greatly increases the risk of heart disease, stroke, kidney failure, blindness and limb loss. Barnard and colleagues tested 99 people with type-2 diabetes, and then randomly assigned them to a low-fat, low-sugar vegan diet or the standard American Diabetes Association diet. The researchers found that after 22 weeks on the diet, 43 percent of those on the vegan diet and 26 percent of those on the standard diet were either able to stop taking some of their drugs such as insulin or glucose-control medications, or were able to control their condition with lower doses. The vegan dieters lost 14 pounds (6.5 kg) on average while the diabetes association dieters lost 6.8 pounds (3.1 kg). An important level of glucose control called a1c which gives a measure of how well-controlled blood sugar has been over the preceding three months, fell by 1.23 points in the vegan group and by 0.38 in the group on the standard diet. It was also found that LDL or "bad" cholesterol also fell by 21 percent in the vegan group and 10 percent in the standard diet group. A vegan diet is plant-based and consists of vegetables, fruits, grains, and legumes and avoids animal products, such as meat and dairy and is low in added fat and in sugar. As people on a vegan diet are at risk for vitamin B12 deficiency supplements were given to the participants on that diet. The American Diabetes Association diet is more individually tailored and takes into account a patient's weight and cholesterol. The diet cuts calories significantly, and are patients are told to limit sugary and starchy foods. For the study all 99 participants met weekly with advisers, who advised them on recipes, gave them tips for sticking to their respective diets, and offered encouragement. The overall message seems to be that diets work if people stick to them for long enough and everyone diagnosed with diabetes needs to start eating more carefully which is probably the hardest aspect to deal with. The researchers say the results show that both diets improved diabetes management and reduced unhealthy cholesterol levels, but some improvements were greater with the low-fat vegan diet. The research is published in Diabetes Care, a journal published by the American Diabetes Association. http://www.news-medical.net/?id=19125 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ottawaveg.com/pipermail/vegchat/attachments/20060731/e929167a/attachment.html From v at vaalea.com Mon Jul 31 05:30:35 2006 From: v at vaalea.com (vaalea) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 01:30:35 -0400 Subject: [VegChat] Walmart forced to pay increased wages Message-ID: <008a01c6b462$76353130$6500a8c0@v> http://www.nupge.ca/news_2006/n30jy06b.htm 'Living wage law' raises minimum to $9.25 an hour in Chicago Applies to big-box retail giants like Wal-Mart, Home Depot and Target Chicago (30 July 2006) - The City of Chicago has passed the first "living wage law" in the United States, forcing mega-retailers such as Wal-Mart, Home Depot and Target to pay workers a minimum wage of $9.25 an hour (up from the current rate of $6.25). The new law applies only to stores with at least 90,000 square feet of space and $1 billion (US) in annual sales across the company. If such a law existed in Canada, it would raise the minimum wage for such wealthy chains to $10.50 an hour in Canadian dollars. Minimum wage laws are set in Canada by the provinces. Rates currently range from $6.70 ($5.90 US) in New Brunswick to $8.50 ($7.50 US) in Nunavut. However, B.C. has a two-tiered minimum wage with a starting rate for new workers of $6.00 an hour ($5.25 US an hour). The Chicago law was approved 35-14 by city council members after weeks of heated debate and immediately drew retaliatory threats from the multi-billion-dollar retail chains to move operations outside the city limits. However, supporters say the $1.2 billion in potential sales that Wal-Mart and other retailers could make by expanding to meet untapped inner city retail markets will easily outweigh the cost of paying workers the hourly increase. In one high-unemployment west side neighbourhood, where workers are putting the finishing touches on the city's first Wal-Mart, the new law is welcome news. More than 9,000 people applied for the 450 jobs that Wal-Mart will offer when the Chicago store opens next month. The law will affect 42 stores and 7,500 workers, and has the potential to affect many more. The National Union of Public and General Employees is supporting a campaign by the United Food and Commercial Workers (UFCW Canada) to organize Wal-Mart employees in Canada. Footnote: The United States Congress, which hasn't raised the American minimum wage in 10 years, voted Friday to boost the rate from $5.15 ($5.80 Cdn) an hour to $7.25 ($8.25 Cdn) in three stages - $5.85 ($6.60) on Jan. 1, 2007, $6.55 ($7.40) on Jan. 1, 2008 and $7.25 ($8.25) on Jan 1, 2009. The bill must still be approved by the U.S. Senate and signed by the president to become law. NUPGE -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ottawaveg.com/pipermail/vegchat/attachments/20060731/5910f2e3/attachment.html From mark at simplyraw.ca Mon Jul 31 05:36:50 2006 From: mark at simplyraw.ca (Mark (SimplyRaw)) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 01:36:50 -0400 Subject: [VegChat] Fast Food Nation: The Movie Message-ID: <44CD96F2.4060905@simplyraw.ca> Just came across this - looks interesting! (the book was great!) http://www.fastfoodnation-movie.com/ Cheers! Mark