From v at vaalea.com Thu Jun 1 03:35:16 2006 From: v at vaalea.com (vaalea) Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 23:35:16 -0400 Subject: [VegChat] Veggie table, meetups, and eats. Message-ID: <05f401c6852c$67112570$6500a8c0@v> (See following email for all the pictures of things mentioned in this email.) Hey guys, so last Saturday during the garage sale I set up a veggie table and then ended up just leaving it to go looking at things for sale and then the KFC protest, and Simon who was garage sale-ing also came along, and seeing an abandoned table, adopted it. People stopped to look and some took pamphlets and stuff, but I didn't count how many I put out, so I have no idea how many were taken. Yves veggie burgers are on sale at Hartmans this week.... They also carry a new line called Mon Cuisine http://www.moncuisine.com/ which among the different dinners available is "Vegetarian Vegan Party Favorites" which contains mini egg rolls, cocktail franks, teriyaki ginger puffs, and garden puffs. I haven't tried them yet, but the idea is exciting. ;0) Speaking of finger foods, I found at Loeb a brand called "Asian Delight" that has mini vegetable samosa. At natural food pantry I found out they have a hard time getting in Roads End Shells and Chreese. They did have Road's End chreese packets next to their soy/etc tetrapaks, in the gluten free section, but after stocking up it occurred to me that I had not had gluten free before. I also tried the gluten free alfredo and thought it was pretty nasty.... so don't go running out and buying the chreese packets yet. If they suck I'll have to ask Natural Food Pantry about getting the others. They said they have trouble getting in certain things... of course things that I like best! (vegan gourmet mozzarella, shells n chreese etc.) They also have Roads End gravy, but that is another thing I've yet to try. A guy from my work's Germany office came over for a few months, and he brought me Soyatoo Soy Whip Cream in a spray can! It has a strong soy taste (which you could get used to) and that spray can taste. It's just fun to use a spray can again! Various USA mail-order companies carry it now (in different packaging). Besides halved yukon gold potatoes with Tofutti sour cream, my favorite way now to have potatoes is to throw a few cloves of garlic in with the potatoes when boiling, mash with the little remaining water when cooked, and add some olive oil (I use PC canola-olive mix) to desired consistency (not too dry - just sticky)... (Pictured with BBQ sauce-Tofurky and cinnamon-agave-carrots.) As far as I can tell the new PC old fashioned Sea Salt and Balsamic Vinegar Kettle Chips are vegan, and I've recently tried other kettle chips (kettle brand, and some other one being sold in Zellers) and the PC ones taste the best in general, but particularly the vinegar in this flavor is milder to me than the usual S&V chip. YUM. (on sale - at Hartmans anyway- $2/bag). Zellers also had some brand of chocolate -Governor's Table- that is vegan, and the Natural Food Pantry (at billings bridge anyway,) has vegan milk chocolate - Terra Nostra. Yves seems to be coming out with some new products... chicken ground round, 8 pack veggie burgers, veggie skewers(I tried the chicken one... Draven told me it tasted like rat - like he'd know- and he ended up finishing mine[perhaps that was the plan ;0)].... it was fine at first... but kind of like the "ribs" at chez nam, all of a sudden midway through the meal they taste really strange and you can't eat any more... maybe they needed veggies... ) Speaking of skewers, not long ago we had a meetup at The Table with HUGE turnout (20ish people?)... they had these awesome veggie&tofu skewers... SO GOOOOD! They also had some chocolate mousse cake or something like that which was also unbelievably good. We had a smaller group at the last one, but still great! Someone know if PC/no name brand of tart shells are vegan? I never write down the ingredients so I can check.... or does anyone know of a vegan pie shell sold in stores? maybe I should try using phyllo or something... interesting.... (I've actually NEVER experimented with phyllo yet) Also, VegGuide is now available.. check out your local health food store (I know Herb and Spice have them up in their seating area). Well, that was a long email.... I do hope to get some upcoming meetups up on the website shortly.... Later! (sorry for any sp error... I caught a couple...) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ottawaveg.com/pipermail/vegchat/attachments/20060531/3827cd64/attachment.html From v at vaalea.com Thu Jun 1 03:37:35 2006 From: v at vaalea.com (vaalea) Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 23:37:35 -0400 Subject: [VegChat] Pictures! Message-ID: <05fc01c6852c$bad62750$6500a8c0@v> Attached... see other email for explanations. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: Asian_Delight_Cocktail_Vegetable_Samosa_Vegan.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 31866 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.ottawaveg.com/pipermail/vegchat/attachments/20060531/22914db0/attachment-0015.jpg From kevoshea at gmail.com Thu Jun 1 12:47:14 2006 From: kevoshea at gmail.com (Kevin O'Shea) Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 08:47:14 -0400 Subject: [VegChat] Veggie table, meetups, and eats. In-Reply-To: <05f401c6852c$67112570$6500a8c0@v> Message-ID: <20066184714.007779@qpckoshea> Hi, One note on the Yves veggie skewers - they contain egg albumen. Thanks for all the product info - very helpful! Kevin On Wed, 31 May 2006 23:35:16 -0400, vaalea wrote: > (See following email for all the pictures of things mentioned in > this email.) > > > Hey guys, > > so last Saturday during the garage sale I set up a veggie table and > then ended up just leaving it to go looking at things for sale and > then the KFC protest, and Simon who was garage sale-ing also came > along, and seeing an abandoned table, adopted it. People stopped to > look and some took pamphlets and stuff, but I didn't count how many > I put out, so I have no idea how many were taken. > > Yves veggie burgers are on sale at Hartmans this week.... They also > carry a new line called Mon Cuisine http://www.moncuisine.com/ > which among the different dinners available is "Vegetarian Vegan > Party Favorites" which contains mini egg rolls, cocktail franks, > teriyaki ginger puffs, and garden puffs. I haven't tried them yet, > but the idea is exciting. ;0) > > Speaking of finger foods, I found at Loeb a brand called "Asian > Delight" that has mini vegetable samosa. > > At natural food pantry I found out they have a hard time getting in > Roads End Shells and Chreese. They did have Road's End chreese > packets next to their soy/etc tetrapaks, in the gluten free > section, but after stocking up it occurred to me that I had not had > gluten free before. I also tried the gluten free alfredo and > thought it was pretty nasty.... so don't go running out and buying > the chreese packets yet. If they suck I'll have to ask Natural Food > Pantry about getting the others. They said they have trouble > getting in certain things... of course things that I like best! > (vegan gourmet mozzarella, shells n chreese etc.) They also have > Roads End gravy, but that is another thing I've yet to try. > > A guy from my work's Germany office came over for a few months, and > he brought me Soyatoo Soy Whip Cream in a spray can! It has a > strong soy taste (which you could get used to) and that spray can > taste. It's just fun to use a spray can again! Various USA mail- > order companies carry it now (in different packaging). > > Besides halved yukon gold potatoes with Tofutti sour cream, my > favorite way now to have potatoes is to throw a few cloves of > garlic in with the potatoes when boiling, mash with the little > remaining water when cooked, and add some olive oil (I use PC > canola-olive mix) to desired consistency (not too dry - just > sticky)... (Pictured with BBQ sauce-Tofurky and cinnamon-agave- > carrots.) > > As far as I can tell the new PC old fashioned Sea Salt and Balsamic > Vinegar Kettle Chips are vegan, and I've recently tried other > kettle chips (kettle brand, and some other one being sold in > Zellers) and the PC ones taste the best in general, but > particularly the vinegar in this flavor is milder to me than the > usual S&V chip. YUM. (on sale - at Hartmans anyway- $2/bag). > Zellers also had some brand of chocolate -Governor's Table- that is > vegan, and the Natural Food Pantry (at billings bridge anyway,) has > vegan milk chocolate - Terra Nostra. > > Yves seems to be coming out with some new products... chicken > ground round, 8 pack veggie burgers, veggie skewers(I tried the > chicken one... Draven told me it tasted like rat - like he'd know- > and he ended up finishing mine[perhaps that was the plan ;0)].... > it was fine at first... but kind of like the "ribs" at chez nam, > all of a sudden midway through the meal they taste really strange > and you can't eat any more... maybe they needed veggies... ) > > Speaking of skewers, not long ago we had a meetup at The Table with > HUGE turnout (20ish people?)... they had these awesome veggie&tofu > skewers... SO GOOOOD! They also had some chocolate mousse cake or > something like that which was also unbelievably good. We had a > smaller group at the last one, but still great! > > Someone know if PC/no name brand of tart shells are vegan? I never > write down the ingredients so I can check.... or does anyone know > of a vegan pie shell sold in stores? maybe I should try using > phyllo or something... interesting.... (I've actually NEVER > experimented with phyllo yet) > > Also, VegGuide is now available.. check out your local health food > store (I know Herb and Spice have them up in their seating area). > > Well, that was a long email.... I do hope to get some upcoming > meetups up on the website shortly.... Later! (sorry for any sp > error... I caught a couple...) From v at vaalea.com Fri Jun 2 01:24:58 2006 From: v at vaalea.com (vaalea) Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 21:24:58 -0400 Subject: [VegChat] Veggie table, meetups, and eats. References: <20066184714.007779@qpckoshea> Message-ID: <072e01c685e3$5e2f8200$6500a8c0@v> ARGH!!!!! Sometimes I hate even the good companies.... changing their recipes so the food doesn't taste as good (glares at Le Commensal for removing the crust from the pie)... and this time- I should know better- I knew their "gourmet/prime" (or something) burgers weren't vegan.... but sometimes I just start assuming things and that if it looked like their regular line it would also be vegan. Disgusted... but ah well, I'll just have back to the Table.... those ones were MUCH better anyway. Thanks for alerting me on that! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin O'Shea" To: "For all discussion not animal related (health, environment, etc).Called " chat"because this is for all kinds of frequent interaction." Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2006 8:47 AM Subject: Re: [VegChat] Veggie table, meetups, and eats. Hi, One note on the Yves veggie skewers - they contain egg albumen. Thanks for all the product info - very helpful! Kevin On Wed, 31 May 2006 23:35:16 -0400, vaalea wrote: > (See following email for all the pictures of things mentioned in > this email.) > > > Hey guys, > > so last Saturday during the garage sale I set up a veggie table and > then ended up just leaving it to go looking at things for sale and > then the KFC protest, and Simon who was garage sale-ing also came > along, and seeing an abandoned table, adopted it. People stopped to > look and some took pamphlets and stuff, but I didn't count how many > I put out, so I have no idea how many were taken. > > Yves veggie burgers are on sale at Hartmans this week.... They also > carry a new line called Mon Cuisine http://www.moncuisine.com/ > which among the different dinners available is "Vegetarian Vegan > Party Favorites" which contains mini egg rolls, cocktail franks, > teriyaki ginger puffs, and garden puffs. I haven't tried them yet, > but the idea is exciting. ;0) > > Speaking of finger foods, I found at Loeb a brand called "Asian > Delight" that has mini vegetable samosa. > > At natural food pantry I found out they have a hard time getting in > Roads End Shells and Chreese. They did have Road's End chreese > packets next to their soy/etc tetrapaks, in the gluten free > section, but after stocking up it occurred to me that I had not had > gluten free before. I also tried the gluten free alfredo and > thought it was pretty nasty.... so don't go running out and buying > the chreese packets yet. If they suck I'll have to ask Natural Food > Pantry about getting the others. They said they have trouble > getting in certain things... of course things that I like best! > (vegan gourmet mozzarella, shells n chreese etc.) They also have > Roads End gravy, but that is another thing I've yet to try. > > A guy from my work's Germany office came over for a few months, and > he brought me Soyatoo Soy Whip Cream in a spray can! It has a > strong soy taste (which you could get used to) and that spray can > taste. It's just fun to use a spray can again! Various USA mail- > order companies carry it now (in different packaging). > > Besides halved yukon gold potatoes with Tofutti sour cream, my > favorite way now to have potatoes is to throw a few cloves of > garlic in with the potatoes when boiling, mash with the little > remaining water when cooked, and add some olive oil (I use PC > canola-olive mix) to desired consistency (not too dry - just > sticky)... (Pictured with BBQ sauce-Tofurky and cinnamon-agave- > carrots.) > > As far as I can tell the new PC old fashioned Sea Salt and Balsamic > Vinegar Kettle Chips are vegan, and I've recently tried other > kettle chips (kettle brand, and some other one being sold in > Zellers) and the PC ones taste the best in general, but > particularly the vinegar in this flavor is milder to me than the > usual S&V chip. YUM. (on sale - at Hartmans anyway- $2/bag). > Zellers also had some brand of chocolate -Governor's Table- that is > vegan, and the Natural Food Pantry (at billings bridge anyway,) has > vegan milk chocolate - Terra Nostra. > > Yves seems to be coming out with some new products... chicken > ground round, 8 pack veggie burgers, veggie skewers(I tried the > chicken one... Draven told me it tasted like rat - like he'd know- > and he ended up finishing mine[perhaps that was the plan ;0)].... > it was fine at first... but kind of like the "ribs" at chez nam, > all of a sudden midway through the meal they taste really strange > and you can't eat any more... maybe they needed veggies... ) > > Speaking of skewers, not long ago we had a meetup at The Table with > HUGE turnout (20ish people?)... they had these awesome veggie&tofu > skewers... SO GOOOOD! They also had some chocolate mousse cake or > something like that which was also unbelievably good. We had a > smaller group at the last one, but still great! > > Someone know if PC/no name brand of tart shells are vegan? I never > write down the ingredients so I can check.... or does anyone know > of a vegan pie shell sold in stores? maybe I should try using > phyllo or something... interesting.... (I've actually NEVER > experimented with phyllo yet) > > Also, VegGuide is now available.. check out your local health food > store (I know Herb and Spice have them up in their seating area). > > Well, that was a long email.... I do hope to get some upcoming > meetups up on the website shortly.... Later! (sorry for any sp > error... I caught a couple...) From v at vaalea.com Mon Jun 5 13:46:42 2006 From: v at vaalea.com (vaalea) Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 09:46:42 -0400 Subject: [VegChat] National Environment Week (June 4 to 10) Message-ID: <005501c688a6$7b324ac0$6500a8c0@v> Regarding Loeb below... perhaps it is what I saw in their flyer.... only 99 cents for a reusable bag made of recycled materials. Also on June 6th is 2 for 1 at Booster Juice BTW! La version fran?aise suit June 4 to 10 is National Environment Week. This year, the City of Ottawa's main focus for the week will be the City's Waste Diversion campaign. The campaign will highlight achievements from our different programs and departments in order to strengthen the City's overall environmental message. For your information here is a summary of City of Ottawa events for the week: Monday - June 5: Environment Week Launch Mayor Bob Chiarelli will launch Environment Week with a major announcement concerning waste diversion during a lunch hour event in Jean Pigott Place. Mayor Chiarelli will unveil a strategy designed to challenge Ottawa residents to increase their levels of waste diversion in order to bring them in line with other major Canadian cities. The event will also feature the percussion stylings of S.C.R.A.P. a band that plays with instruments made from salvaged household items. Come see what they can do with garbage! Tuesday - June 6: Recycling Announcement with Loeb This event, also in support of the week's waste diversion theme, will see the City of Ottawa, Loeb and the United Way announce a partnership that will help divert waste from landfills and give back to the community at the same time. The Mayor will attend the event that is taking place at 10:30 a.m. at the Loeb on Rideau Street. Wednesday - June 7: Clean Air Day June 7 is two-for-one public transit day across the City - when you pay the transit fare, the person accompanying you can ride the bus or take the O-Train for free! Environment Week related event Commuter Challenge The Commuter Challenge is taking place during Environment Week. This one-week event encourages commuters to use sustainable modes of transportation such as walking, cycling, running, public transit and carpooling to get to and from work. During this week, participants will record their mileage from commuting using these transportation modes. To register, go to commuterchallenge.ca and follow these steps: ? Click on the register button ? Fill in the requested information ? Choose option 2 - register with a workplace ? Select City of Ottawa ? Select department Note that at this point, you can only register for the Challenge; you will be able to enter data on how you commuted beginning June 4. Commuter Challenge-related events June 2 - National Commuter Challenge event The purpose of this event is to kick-off the national challenge that will take place from June 4-10, 2006. Event host, Go for Green, is proud to welcome Justin Trudeau, the program's spokesperson, to speak at the event. The Commuter Challenge is a friendly competition between Canadian communities and workplaces encouraging Canadians to use sustainable modes of transportation to get to and from work during Clean Air Day (June 7, 2006) and Canadian Environment Week (June 4-10, 2006). The June 2nd event will take place from 12-2 in Festival Plaza. June 6 - Bike-to-Work Day At 7:30 a.m. on Tuesday, June 6, as part of Bike-to-Work Day and in conjunction with Commuter Challenge activities around the city, a bike safety and theft prevention information session will be held at the Ottawa River Pathway (near the Canadian War Museum). The public is invited to join Councillor Janet Stavinga, Transportation Committee Chair and Constable Tim Senack of Ottawa Police Service for this event. We hope you will take part in the week's events and help us carry the waste diversion message out to the community throughout the week. Thank you for your continued support of the City's environmental initiatives. ************************************************************** Comme vous le savez, la semaine prochaine, du 4 au 10 juin, est la Semaine nationale de l'environnement. Cette ann?e, le sujet principal de la semaine sera la campagne de r?orientation des d?chets de la Ville. Cette campagne soulignera les efforts de diff?rents programmes et services dans le but de renforcer le message environnemental g?n?ral de la Ville. Voici le d?roulement des activit?s de la Ville pour cette semaine : Lundi - le 5 juin : Lancement de la Semaine nationale de l'environnement Le maire Bob Chiarelli ouvrira la Semaine nationale de l'environnement avec une annonce importante concernant la r?orientation des d?chets dans le cadre d'une activit? qui se d?roulera sur l'heure du d?ner ? la place Jean Pigott. Le maire Chiarelli annoncera une strat?gie visant ? pousser les citoyens d'Ottawa ? accro?tre la quantit? de d?chets r?orient?s, dans le but d'atteindre les niveaux d'autres grandes villes canadiennes. L'activit? comprendra ?galement un spectacle de percussions offert par le groupe S.C.R.A.P. dont les instruments sont construits ? partir d'articles m?nagers r?cup?r?s. Venez voir ce qu'ils peuvent faire avec des d?chets! Mardi - le 6 juin : Annonce pour supporter la ? r?orientation des d?chets ? avec Loeb Cette activit? qui s'inscrit ?galement dans le th?me de ? r?orientation des d?chets ? de la semaine comprendra une annonce par la Ville d'Ottawa, Loeb et Centraide concernant un partenariat qui permettra de r?orienter des d?chets qui devaient se rendre dans des sites d'enfouissement en plus d'aider la collectivit?. Maire Chiarelli sera pr?sent pour cette annonce qui aura lieu ? 10 h 30 au Loeb de la rue Rideau. Mercredi - le 7 juin : Journ?e de l'air pur Le 7 juin est ?galement la journ?e o? deux personnes peuvent emprunter l'autobus pour le prix d'une dans le r?seau de transport en commun de la Ville! Activit? li?e ? la Semaine nationale de l'environnement Le D?fi transport Le D?fi transport 2006 aura lieu durant la Semaine de l'environnement. Cet ?v?nement d'une semaine encourage les r?sidents ? se rendre au travail en essayant un mode de transport durable comme la marche, le v?lo, la course, le transport en commun et le covoiturage. Pendant la semaine du d?fi, les participants tiendront compte de la distance aller-retour parcourue entre la maison et le travail avec ces modes de transport. Pour vous inscrire, rendez-vous ? et suivez les ?tapes suivantes : ? Cliquez sur le bouton ? Inscrivez-vous ? ? Remplissez les renseignements demand?s ? Choisissez l'option 2 - Inscription avec une entreprise ? Choisissez la Ville d'Ottawa ? Choisissez un service Il est ? noter que, pour l'instant, vous pouvez seulement vous inscrire. L'entr?e des donn?es concernant votre mode de transport pendant la semaine du D?fi transport commence le 4 juin. Le 2 juin - D?fi transport L'objectif de cette activit? est de lancer le d?fi national qui aura lieu du 4 au 10 juin 2006. L'organisateur de l'?v?nement, Vert l'action, est fier d'accueillir Justin Trudeau, le porte-parole du programme, qui fera une allocution dans le cadre de l'activit?. Le D?fi transport est un concours amical entre les collectivit?s et les milieux de travail canadiens visant ? encourager les Canadiens ? utiliser des moyens de transport durables pour se rendre au travail dans le cadre de la Journ?e de l'Air pur (7 juin 2006) et de la Semaine canadienne de l'environnement (du 4 au 10 juin 2006). Cette activit? aura lieu le 2 juin de 12 h ? 14 h ? la Place des festivals. Le 6 juin - Journ?e V?lo-boulot Le mardi 6 juin ? 7 h 30, dans le cadre de la Journ?e V?lo-boulot et conjointement avec les activit?s de D?fi transport se d?roulant en divers endroits de la ville, une s?ance d'information sur la s?curit? ? v?lo et sur la pr?vention contre le vol se tiendra sur le sentier de la rivi?re des Outaouais (pr?s du Mus?e canadien de la guerre). Le public est invit? ? se joindre ? la conseill?re Janet Stavinga, pr?sidente du Comit? des transports de la Ville et ? l'agent Tim Senack du Service de police d'Ottawa pour cet ?v?nement. Nous esp?rons que vous participerez aux activit?s de la semaine et que vous nous aiderez ? diffuser le message concernant la r?orientation des d?chets aupr?s de l'ensemble de la collectivit? pendant toute la semaine. Merci de votre soutien continu pour les initiatives environnementales de la Ville. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ottawaveg.com/pipermail/vegchat/attachments/20060605/efc50570/attachment.html From edandrea at magma.ca Thu Jun 8 14:00:21 2006 From: edandrea at magma.ca (Edelweiss D'Andrea) Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 10:00:21 -0400 Subject: [VegChat] An Inconvenient Truth playing June 9-18 at the Bytowne Theatre Message-ID: An Inconvenient Truth The film eloquently weaves the science of global warming with Al Gore's personal story and lifelong commitment to stop global warming. A rallying cry for action. It took me 10 minutes to see the 2 minute 30 second trailer because of all the traffic, but the second time it played right through. See the trailer and you won't want to miss the movie. Trailer (2:30) http://www.stopglobalwarming.org/sgw_feature.asp?id=11 Documentary Rating: PG PLAYING AT THE BYTOWNE THEATRE JUNE 9 TO 18 325 Rideau Street, between King Edward Avenue and Nelson Street Friday June 9, 7:05pm Saturday June 10, 9:15pm Sunday June 11, 1:30pm, 6:25pm Monday June 12, 6:30pm Tuesday June 13, 6:30pm Wednesday June 14, 4:45pm, 9:00pm Thursday June 15, 7:05pm Friday June 16, 4:45pm Saturday June 17, 4:15pm Sunday June 18, 1:45pm, 6:25pm REVIEWS by Rachel Giese (CBC) and Roger Ebert CBC: It?s Getting Hot in Here Al Gore reveals the inconvenient truth about global warming By Rachel Giese June 2, 2006 Al Gore addresses the effects of global warming in An Inconvenient Truth. Photo Eric Lee. Courtesy Paramount Classics. At the beginning of the new documentary An Inconvenient Truth, former U.S. vice-president Al Gore introduces himself as the man ?who used to be the next president of the United States.? It?s funny to a point, then not so much, because it?s a reminder of what might have been. But don?t cry for Al Gore, people. He has moved on. Of the nail-biting conclusion to the 2000 election, Gore says with typical understatement, ?well, that was a hard blow. What do you do? You make the best of it.? And for Gore, that meant returning to the issue that?s obsessed him since college: global warming. For the past few years, he?s been touring the world with a surprisingly engaging slide-show talk on the subject ? how it works, what causes it and its very real, very dire consequences. Along the way, he caught the attention of Laurie David, the high profile Hollywood environmentalist who is married to Curb Your Enthusiasm?s Larry David. She helped persuade Gore to participate in the documentary, signing on as a producer and bringing in TV veteran (Deadwood) Davis Guggenheim to direct. Gore estimates he?s given the presentation a thousand times. After failing to get the message out while in public life, he says he knows of no other way to educate the mainstream, but ?person by person, family by family.? The show is an impressive affair. Backed by a slick presentation of graphs and charts and corny animation ? including a woeful polar bear drowning when it can?t find a purchase on melting ice floes ? Gore seriously but amiably sets out the crisis. Rising carbon-dioxide emissions have raised temperatures around world, triggering a complicated series of problems, ranging from melting glaciers, to increased hurricane and tornado activity, to drought and flooding. These phenomena, in turn, have exacerbated political, ethnic and class tensions in places including drought-stricken Niger and Darfur, and, closer to home, in the poor black neighbourhoods of New Orleans. If the planet continues to warm up, rising sea levels from the melting ice of Greenland and Antarctica will, within in the next few decades, engulf large coastal cities, displacing millions of people. Shanghai, Beijing, Mumbai and most of Lower Manhattan will be under water, Gore says, as a computer image shows the flooding of the World Trade Center memorial site. ?Is it possible,? Gore asks in his one brief moment of petulance, ?that we should guard against other threats besides terrorists?? Still, for Gore this is ?not a political issue, but a moral one.? Trouble is, in America, morality and politics are increasingly intertwined. When the religious right continues to amp up its battle against the teaching of science in schools, how sympathetic will it be to scientific findings about carbon-dioxide levels that date back 650,000 years? In some quarters, suggesting the Earth is that old is akin to proposing that we evolved from primates. So it?s no surprise that naysayers have written off global warming as an unproven ?theory? and dismissed Gore as tree-hugging alarmist. Gore with scientists in China. Photo Eric Lee. Courtesy Paramount Classics. Yet in An Inconvenient Truth, Gore comes off as the avuncular voice of reason. In this thoughtful and tightly paced doc, Gore makes the complicated science of global warming accessible for a lay audience. Gore notes that the upward trend of carbon-dioxide emissions and temperatures are currently off the charts, wildly beyond the normal flux. He goes on to explain that in more than 900 peer-reviewed studies in credible science journals, not one has challenged the idea of global warming. However, most average folks wouldn?t know that. In the popular press, 53 per cent of articles about global warming have presented it as a controversial idea. Gore points out that scientists have been cowed into silence by the current administration; specifically, there?s the case of Philip Cooney, a former environmental adviser to U.S. President George W. Bush (though he had no scientific background or expertise in the field) who edited a report on global warming by government scientists to play down their findings. When his tampering was exposed, Cooney resigned and promptly took a position at ExxonMobil. While Gore has been coy about running in 2008, this hagiographic portrayal by director Guggenheim completes Gore?s transformation from also-ran to eco-hunk. Interspersed with scenes of the lecture are Gore?s thoughts on life in and out of politics (including his poignant memories of nearly losing his young son after he was hit by a car, and his grief over the lung cancer death of his older sister), scenes of him revisiting his childhood home and a pointed montage of the controversial 2000 election results. If Bush?s image machine has him in ever more butch poses ? clearing brush in a cowboy hat, strolling the deck of an aircraft carrier in a crotch-enhancing flight suit ? then Guggenheim depicts Gore as the warrior of the laptop. He?s seen typing on planes, in deserted hotel coffee shops and in the back of town cars, occasionally staring pensively into the distance. It may not be as virile, but the way in which the doc contrasts the former political rivals is deliberately stark. On one side is grinning, heckuva job, good ole boy George W. Bush; on the other is wise, hard-working elder statesman Al Gore. Since 2000, Gore has gained a few distinguished pounds around his middle and, more notably, a sense of humour. He?s a terrific lecturer, in the style of a keen academic rather than a slick politician. His speech has the patness of repetition, but that doesn?t dampen his genuine passion. Gone is the stuffed shirt, scolding pedantry that made him the smart but unlikable presidential candidate of 2000. Here, he?s confident, worldly and charming ? a geeky, but beloved professor. Even his voice has mellowed into the honeyed drawl of his Tennessee roots. Without the handlers and consultants and the pressure of appealing to soccer moms and NASCAR dads, Gore is finally free to speak his mind. Paradoxically, he now seems all the more presidential. His talk ends with a rousing call to arms ? he cites the abolishment of slavery, female suffrage, the civil rights movement, the fall of the Berlin Wall and the end of apartheid as examples of the tremendous achievements of a united global community. For sheer inspiration, it comes close to rivaling JFK?s ?ask not what your country can do for you? inauguration speech. According to Gore, the knowledge and technology exist to slow and even reverse the damage of global warming. The only thing lacking is political will. But, Gore adds, ?political will is a renewable resource.? Spoken like a true candidate. An Inconvenient Truth opens June 2 across the country. Rachel Giese writes about the arts for CBC.ca. ----------------------------------------------------------- An Inconvenient Truth BY ROGER EBERT / June 2, 2006 Cast & Credits Paramount Classics presents a documentary featuring Al Gore. Directed by Davis Guggenheim. Running time: 100 minutes. Rated PG (for mild thematic elements). I want to write this review so every reader will begin it and finish it. I am a liberal, but I do not intend this as a review reflecting any kind of politics. It reflects the truth as I understand it, and it represents, I believe, agreement among the world's experts. Global warming is real. It is caused by human activity. Mankind and its governments must begin immediate action to halt and reverse it. If we do nothing, in about 10 years the planet may reach a "tipping point" and begin a slide toward destruction of our civilization and most of the other species on this planet. After that point is reached, it would be too late for any action. These facts are stated by Al Gore in the documentary "An Inconvenient Truth." Forget he ever ran for office. Consider him a concerned man speaking out on the approaching crisis. "There is no controversy about these facts," he says in the film. "Out of 925 recent articles in peer-review scientific journals about global warming, there was no disagreement. Zero." He stands on a stage before a vast screen, in front of an audience. The documentary is based on a speech he has been developing for six years, and is supported by dramatic visuals. He shows the famous photograph "Earthrise," taken from space by the first American astronauts. Then he shows a series of later space photographs, clearly indicating that glaciers and lakes are shrinking, snows are melting, shorelines are retreating. He provides statistics: The 10 warmest years in history were in the last 14 years. Last year South America experienced its first hurricane. Japan and the Pacific are setting records for typhoons. Hurricane Katrina passed over Florida, doubled back over the Gulf, picked up strength from unusually warm Gulf waters, and went from Category 3 to Category 5. There are changes in the Gulf Stream and the jet stream. Cores of polar ice show that carbon dioxide is much, much higher than ever before in a quarter of a million years. It was once thought that such things went in cycles. Gore stands in front of a graph showing the ups and downs of carbon dioxide over the centuries. Yes, there is a cyclical pattern. Then, in recent years, the graph turns up and keeps going up, higher and higher, off the chart. The primary man-made cause of global warming is the burning of fossil fuels. We are taking energy stored over hundreds of millions of years in the form of coal, gas and oil, and releasing it suddenly. This causes global warming, and there is a pass-along effect. Since glaciers and snow reflect sunlight but sea water absorbs it, the more the ice melts, the more of the sun's energy is retained by the sea. Gore says that although there is "100 percent agreement" among scientists, a database search of newspaper and magazine articles shows that 57 percent question the fact of global warming, while 43 percent support it. These figures are the result, he says, of a disinformation campaign started in the 1990s by the energy industries to "reposition global warming as a debate." It is the same strategy used for years by the defenders of tobacco. My father was a Luckys smoker who died of lung cancer in 1960, and 20 years later it was still "debatable" that there was a link between smoking and lung cancer. Now we are talking about the death of the future, starting in the lives of those now living. "The world won't 'end' overnight in 10 years," Gore says. "But a point will have been passed, and there will be an irreversible slide into destruction." In England, Sir James Lovelock, the scientist who proposed the Gaia hypothesis (that the planet functions like a living organism), has published a new book saying that in 100 years mankind will be reduced to "a few breeding couples at the Poles." Gore thinks "that's too pessimistic. We can turn this around just as we reversed the hole in the ozone layer. But it takes action right now, and politicians in every nation must have the courage to do what is necessary. It is not a political issue. It is a moral issue." When I said I was going to a press screening of "An Inconvenient Truth," a friend said, "Al Gore talking about the environment! Bor...ing!" This is not a boring film. The director, Davis Guggenheim, uses words, images and Gore's concise litany of facts to build a film that is fascinating and relentless. In 39 years, I have never written these words in a movie review, but here they are: You owe it to yourself to see this film. If you do not, and you have grandchildren, you should explain to them why you decided not to. Am I acting as an advocate in this review? Yes, I am. I believe that to be "impartial" and "balanced" on global warming means one must take a position like Gore's. There is no other view that can be defended. Sen. James Inhofe (R-Okla.), chairman of the Senate Environment Committee, has said, "Global warming is the greatest hoax ever perpetrated on the American people." I hope he takes his job seriously enough to see this film. I think he has a responsibility to do that. What can we do? Switch to and encourage the development of alternative energy sources: Solar, wind, tidal, and, yes, nuclear. Move quickly toward hybrid and electric cars. Pour money into public transit, and subsidize the fares. Save energy in our houses. I did a funny thing when I came home after seeing "An Inconvenient Truth." I went around the house turning off the lights. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ottawaveg.com/pipermail/vegchat/attachments/20060608/ed748660/attachment.html From pekieca at yahoo.com Thu Jun 8 18:21:38 2006 From: pekieca at yahoo.com (K) Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 14:21:38 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [VegChat] An Inconvenient Truth playing June 9-18 at the Bytowne Theatre In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060608182138.93804.qmail@web52710.mail.yahoo.com> Thanks for this info. I heard Rona Ambrose speak yesterday, basically defending the government's position to drop out of Kyoto. She admitted fears vis a vis the economy if we complied, and major polluters like China and India (who are big economic threats) didn't. I kept waiting to hear what programmes/initiatives would take its place. She talked about increased subsidies to public transit, but nothing about reduction of emissions from industries, conservation measures, taxes on SUVs, etc. Discouraging, to say the least. Very ironic too that the A/C at the Chateau Laurier was running full blast the entire time and roast cow was served for lunch. The table next to ours was occupied by Imperial Oil executives. So sadly, and not surprising, nothing "Suzuki-like" in the talk. K Edelweiss D'Andrea wrote: An Inconvenient Truth The film eloquently weaves the science of global warming with Al Gore's personal story and lifelong commitment to stop global warming. A rallying cry for action. It took me 10 minutes to see the 2 minute 30 second trailer because of all the traffic, but the second time it played right through. See the trailer and you won't want to miss the movie. Trailer (2:30) http://www.stopglobalwarming.org/sgw_feature.asp?id=11 Documentary Rating: PG PLAYING AT THE BYTOWNE THEATRE JUNE 9 TO 18 325 Rideau Street, between King Edward Avenue and Nelson Street Friday June 9, 7:05pm Saturday June 10, 9:15pm Sunday June 11, 1:30pm, 6:25pm Monday June 12, 6:30pm Tuesday June 13, 6:30pm Wednesday June 14, 4:45pm, 9:00pm Thursday June 15, 7:05pm Friday June 16, 4:45pm Saturday June 17, 4:15pm Sunday June 18, 1:45pm, 6:25pm REVIEWS by Rachel Giese (CBC) and Roger Ebert CBC: It?s Getting Hot in Here Al Gore reveals the inconvenient truth about global warming By Rachel Giese June 2, 2006 Al Gore addresses the effects of global warming in An Inconvenient Truth. Photo Eric Lee. Courtesy Paramount Classics. At the beginning of the new documentary An Inconvenient Truth, former U.S. vice-president Al Gore introduces himself as the man ?who used to be the next president of the United States.? It?s funny to a point, then not so much, because it?s a reminder of what might have been. But don?t cry for Al Gore, people. He has moved on. Of the nail-biting conclusion to the 2000 election, Gore says with typical understatement, ?well, that was a hard blow. What do you do? You make the best of it.? And for Gore, that meant returning to the issue that?s obsessed him since college: global warming. For the past few years, he?s been touring the world with a surprisingly engaging slide-show talk on the subject ? how it works, what causes it and its very real, very dire consequences. Along the way, he caught the attention of Laurie David, the high profile Hollywood environmentalist who is married to Curb Your Enthusiasm?s Larry David. She helped persuade Gore to participate in the documentary, signing on as a producer and bringing in TV veteran (Deadwood) Davis Guggenheim to direct. Gore estimates he?s given the presentation a thousand times. After failing to get the message out while in public life, he says he knows of no other way to educate the mainstream, but ?person by person, family by family.? The show is an impressive affair. Backed by a slick presentation of graphs and charts and corny animation ? including a woeful polar bear drowning when it can?t find a purchase on melting ice floes ? Gore seriously but amiably sets out the crisis. Rising carbon-dioxide emissions have raised temperatures around world, triggering a complicated series of problems, ranging from melting glaciers, to increased hurricane and tornado activity, to drought and flooding. These phenomena, in turn, have exacerbated political, ethnic and class tensions in places including drought-stricken Niger and Darfur, and, closer to home, in the poor black neighbourhoods of New Orleans. If the planet continues to warm up, rising sea levels from the melting ice of Greenland and Antarctica will, within in the next few decades, engulf large coastal cities, displacing millions of people. Shanghai, Beijing, Mumbai and most of Lower Manhattan will be under water, Gore says, as a computer image shows the flooding of the World Trade Center memorial site. ?Is it possible,? Gore asks in his one brief moment of petulance, ?that we should guard against other threats besides terrorists?? Still, for Gore this is ?not a political issue, but a moral one.? Trouble is, in America, morality and politics are increasingly intertwined. When the religious right continues to amp up its battle against the teaching of science in schools, how sympathetic will it be to scientific findings about carbon-dioxide levels that date back 650,000 years? In some quarters, suggesting the Earth is that old is akin to proposing that we evolved from primates. So it?s no surprise that naysayers have written off global warming as an unproven ?theory? and dismissed Gore as tree-hugging alarmist. Gore with scientists in China. Photo Eric Lee. Courtesy Paramount Classics. Yet in An Inconvenient Truth, Gore comes off as the avuncular voice of reason. In this thoughtful and tightly paced doc, Gore makes the complicated science of global warming accessible for a lay audience. Gore notes that the upward trend of carbon-dioxide emissions and temperatures are currently off the charts, wildly beyond the normal flux. He goes on to explain that in more than 900 peer-reviewed studies in credible science journals, not one has challenged the idea of global warming. However, most average folks wouldn?t know that. In the popular press, 53 per cent of articles about global warming have presented it as a controversial idea. Gore points out that scientists have been cowed into silence by the current administration; specifically, there?s the case of Philip Cooney, a former environmental adviser to U.S. President George W. Bush (though he had no scientific background or expertise in the field) who edited a report on global warming by government scientists to play down their findings. When his tampering was exposed, Cooney resigned and promptly took a position at ExxonMobil. While Gore has been coy about running in 2008, this hagiographic portrayal by director Guggenheim completes Gore?s transformation from also-ran to eco-hunk. Interspersed with scenes of the lecture are Gore?s thoughts on life in and out of politics (including his poignant memories of nearly losing his young son after he was hit by a car, and his grief over the lung cancer death of his older sister), scenes of him revisiting his childhood home and a pointed montage of the controversial 2000 election results. If Bush?s image machine has him in ever more butch poses ? clearing brush in a cowboy hat, strolling the deck of an aircraft carrier in a crotch-enhancing flight suit ? then Guggenheim depicts Gore as the warrior of the laptop. He?s seen typing on planes, in deserted hotel coffee shops and in the back of town cars, occasionally staring pensively into the distance. It may not be as virile, but the way in which the doc contrasts the former political rivals is deliberately stark. On one side is grinning, heckuva job, good ole boy George W. Bush; on the other is wise, hard-working elder statesman Al Gore. Since 2000, Gore has gained a few distinguished pounds around his middle and, more notably, a sense of humour. He?s a terrific lecturer, in the style of a keen academic rather than a slick politician. His speech has the patness of repetition, but that doesn?t dampen his genuine passion. Gone is the stuffed shirt, scolding pedantry that made him the smart but unlikable presidential candidate of 2000. Here, he?s confident, worldly and charming ? a geeky, but beloved professor. Even his voice has mellowed into the honeyed drawl of his Tennessee roots. Without the handlers and consultants and the pressure of appealing to soccer moms and NASCAR dads, Gore is finally free to speak his mind. Paradoxically, he now seems all the more presidential. His talk ends with a rousing call to arms ? he cites the abolishment of slavery, female suffrage, the civil rights movement, the fall of the Berlin Wall and the end of apartheid as examples of the tremendous achievements of a united global community. For sheer inspiration, it comes close to rivaling JFK?s ?ask not what your country can do for you? inauguration speech. According to Gore, the knowledge and technology exist to slow and even reverse the damage of global warming. The only thing lacking is political will. But, Gore adds, ?political will is a renewable resource.? Spoken like a true candidate. An Inconvenient Truth opens June 2 across the country. Rachel Giese writes about the arts for CBC.ca. ----------------------------------------------------------- An Inconvenient Truth BY ROGER EBERT / June 2, 2006 Cast & Credits Paramount Classics presents a documentary featuring Al Gore. Directed by Davis Guggenheim. Running time: 100 minutes. Rated PG (for mild thematic elements). I want to write this review so every reader will begin it and finish it. I am a liberal, but I do not intend this as a review reflecting any kind of politics. It reflects the truth as I understand it, and it represents, I believe, agreement among the world's experts. Global warming is real. It is caused by human activity. Mankind and its governments must begin immediate action to halt and reverse it. If we do nothing, in about 10 years the planet may reach a "tipping point" and begin a slide toward destruction of our civilization and most of the other species on this planet. After that point is reached, it would be too late for any action. These facts are stated by Al Gore in the documentary "An Inconvenient Truth." Forget he ever ran for office. Consider him a concerned man speaking out on the approaching crisis. "There is no controversy about these facts," he says in the film. "Out of 925 recent articles in peer-review scientific journals about global warming, there was no disagreement. Zero." He stands on a stage before a vast screen, in front of an audience. The documentary is based on a speech he has been developing for six years, and is supported by dramatic visuals. He shows the famous photograph "Earthrise," taken from space by the first American astronauts. Then he shows a series of later space photographs, clearly indicating that glaciers and lakes are shrinking, snows are melting, shorelines are retreating. He provides statistics: The 10 warmest years in history were in the last 14 years. Last year South America experienced its first hurricane. Japan and the Pacific are setting records for typhoons. Hurricane Katrina passed over Florida, doubled back over the Gulf, picked up strength from unusually warm Gulf waters, and went from Category 3 to Category 5. There are changes in the Gulf Stream and the jet stream. Cores of polar ice show that carbon dioxide is much, much higher than ever before in a quarter of a million years. It was once thought that such things went in cycles. Gore stands in front of a graph showing the ups and downs of carbon dioxide over the centuries. Yes, there is a cyclical pattern. Then, in recent years, the graph turns up and keeps going up, higher and higher, off the chart. The primary man-made cause of global warming is the burning of fossil fuels. We are taking energy stored over hundreds of millions of years in the form of coal, gas and oil, and releasing it suddenly. This causes global warming, and there is a pass-along effect. Since glaciers and snow reflect sunlight but sea water absorbs it, the more the ice melts, the more of the sun's energy is retained by the sea. Gore says that although there is "100 percent agreement" among scientists, a database search of newspaper and magazine articles shows that 57 percent question the fact of global warming, while 43 percent support it. These figures are the result, he says, of a disinformation campaign started in the 1990s by the energy industries to "reposition global warming as a debate." It is the same strategy used for years by the defenders of tobacco. My father was a Luckys smoker who died of lung cancer in 1960, and 20 years later it was still "debatable" that there was a link between smoking and lung cancer. Now we are talking about the death of the future, starting in the lives of those now living. "The world won't 'end' overnight in 10 years," Gore says. "But a point will have been passed, and there will be an irreversible slide into destruction." In England, Sir James Lovelock, the scientist who proposed the Gaia hypothesis (that the planet functions like a living organism), has published a new book saying that in 100 years mankind will be reduced to "a few breeding couples at the Poles." Gore thinks "that's too pessimistic. We can turn this around just as we reversed the hole in the ozone layer. But it takes action right now, and politicians in every nation must have the courage to do what is necessary. It is not a political issue. It is a moral issue." When I said I was going to a press screening of "An Inconvenient Truth," a friend said, "Al Gore talking about the environment! Bor...ing!" This is not a boring film. The director, Davis Guggenheim, uses words, images and Gore's concise litany of facts to build a film that is fascinating and relentless. In 39 years, I have never written these words in a movie review, but here they are: You owe it to yourself to see this film. If you do not, and you have grandchildren, you should explain to them why you decided not to. Am I acting as an advocate in this review? Yes, I am. I believe that to be "impartial" and "balanced" on global warming means one must take a position like Gore's. There is no other view that can be defended. Sen. James Inhofe (R-Okla.), chairman of the Senate Environment Committee, has said, "Global warming is the greatest hoax ever perpetrated on the American people." I hope he takes his job seriously enough to see this film. I think he has a responsibility to do that. What can we do? Switch to and encourage the development of alternative energy sources: Solar, wind, tidal, and, yes, nuclear. Move quickly toward hybrid and electric cars. Pour money into public transit, and subsidize the fares. Save energy in our houses. I did a funny thing when I came home after seeing "An Inconvenient Truth." I went around the house turning off the lights. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ottawaveg.com/pipermail/vegchat/attachments/20060608/35f2d32a/attachment.html From v at vaalea.com Thu Jun 8 23:25:57 2006 From: v at vaalea.com (vaalea) Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 19:25:57 -0400 Subject: [VegChat] An Inconvenient Truth ---11th Hour References: <20060608182138.93804.qmail@web52710.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <012c01c68b60$109a3260$6400a8c0@v> I have a vague feeling there was another documentary too..... but anyway, another movie to keep an eye out for is "11th Hour" - A look at the state of the global environment including visionary and practical solutions for restoring the planet's ecosystems. - Narrated by Leonardo DiCaprio http://www.hollywood.com/news/detail/id/3471248 and the related news below it has some stuff too..... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ottawaveg.com/pipermail/vegchat/attachments/20060608/622d4238/attachment.html From v at vaalea.com Fri Jun 9 02:03:35 2006 From: v at vaalea.com (vaalea) Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 22:03:35 -0400 Subject: [VegChat] CSA, Organic Veg Home Deliveries... etc, Message-ID: <018101c68b68$ead44f80$6400a8c0@v> aww man.... I forgot to post about OrganicFest and now it's WAY over... http://www.organicfest.ca/ Anyway, Jill Nugent posted on the Meetup message board (which reminded me): Hello Everyone, I just wanted to let everyone know I have a couple of contact numbers for CSA's in the Almonte area. What exactly is a CSA? Well it involves buying a share form an organic farm and then picking up fresh organic produce or having it delivered during the growing season (approximately 20 weeks). Riverside Garden CSA 256-9699 Contact: Inez McCreery Teamwork CSA 296-0599 Contact: Hilary Chop I have joined the Riverside Garden CSA and am looking forward to my first organic food box in the next week or two. (Reply with your own experiences) Anyway, through the OrganicFest website, I found this list http://www.cog.ca/ottawa/ottlist_2006.htm which is of local organic farms, and they have the following: Sales Types: F - sales at farm FM - sales at farmers' market HD - home delivery CSA - Community Supported Agriculture shares available. .... I think Bryson Farms is a popular one??? You have to wade your way through organic meats, although those may be a great resource to pass on to omni friends.... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ottawaveg.com/pipermail/vegchat/attachments/20060608/7bc44b13/attachment.html From arcticbeluga at hotmail.com Sat Jun 10 02:10:06 2006 From: arcticbeluga at hotmail.com (Arctic Beluga) Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 02:10:06 +0000 Subject: [VegChat] This weekend In-Reply-To: <018101c68b68$ead44f80$6400a8c0@v> Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ottawaveg.com/pipermail/vegchat/attachments/20060610/4f7ec5ac/attachment.html From v at vaalea.com Sat Jun 10 03:30:31 2006 From: v at vaalea.com (vaalea) Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 23:30:31 -0400 Subject: [VegChat] Oxfam -MTL in the Market- Sat June 10 eve... Message-ID: <310b01c68c3e$3abddc20$6400a8c0@v> Hmm.. doesn't say if/how much money goes to oxfam... anyway, just saw it in Metro today. Among (many) other things, Oxfam promotes fair trade.... http://music4change.blogspot.com/ Music4Change - Drop your own beat! Music4Change and Oxfam Canada return for its 3rd exciting event at MTL in the nation's capital! On Saturday, June 10, drop your own beat and groove to the tunes of Emily Jones and djK for an evening to raise awareness about Oxfam Canada's work promoting women's rights. Based on the UK's incredible music4life club series, this extraordinary gathering sets a new standard for the party scene with a unique event that blends global rhythms and awareness of women's rights, bringing positive vibes to club culture. What is important to you? If you know, or especially if you don't, come down to MTL and find out! Featuring Oxfam's signature Oxtini and complementary world foods, there's never been a better reason to dance the night away, discover your passion and raise awareness about women's rights, so what are you waiting for? Get your tickets beginning May 25 at Allegro (55-1/2 William Street), Oxfam Canada (400-250 City Centre Ave) or email music4change at gmail.com. Music4Change Saturday, June 10, 2006 7:00 - 10:30 p.m. MTL, 47/49 William St Ottawa, ON Tickets in advance email: music4change at gmail.com $6 in advance, 2 for $10 or $7 at the door -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ottawaveg.com/pipermail/vegchat/attachments/20060609/3cb6db99/attachment.html From v at vaalea.com Wed Jun 14 02:28:01 2006 From: v at vaalea.com (vaalea) Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 22:28:01 -0400 Subject: [VegChat] URGENT - Need help for orphaned babies we found! Message-ID: <017801c68f5a$2a50e110$6400a8c0@v> Hey guys, I hate asking people for money for anything, but this is kind of a special case. I found a couple of baby raccoons that had fallen into our building's trashcans and were unable to get out. They were a mess... we cleaned them up and then when it wasn't cold and raining, we left them outside for the mother to hopefully come and pick them up. It seems after a couple nights that the mother is not coming. They disappear during the day to sleep, and they come back for food. Technically they are too young to be completely on their own and I would like to see them go to the Rideau Wildlife Centre, but currently they are at maximum capacity unless they were able to expand... which means donations!!! It is quite a lot of money or I'd try and spring for it all myself..... so that is also why I'm asking if you could maybe let me know if you were able to donate, how much just so that I know how much short we are. Alternatively I suppose I could ask them how much has come in... but I haven't even told them I'm doing this yet. Secondly can you please let them know along with your donation that this is for the Glebe raccoons (and/or you could mention my name)? rideauwildlife at ripnet.com or 613-258-9480 (is an answering machine only). Thirdly, if you are sending a cheque... could you email them ahead of time and let them know to expect it. There is a newsletter here: http://www.rideauwildlife.org/RVWSNewsletter.pdf with donation info at the bottom. They have charitable status, so you get a receipt if you donate $10.00 or more. The main website is here: http://www.rideauwildlife.org You can donate by credit card here by clicking on the "Canada Helps" logo on the front page. While part of the money goes toward the particular animals, part of it goes toward an enclosure that can be used for many years ahead. Raccoons are a rabies-vector species and so by law must receive special care and can't be fostered out. They also commonly carry a kind of worm that also requires they get special attention. The best chance they have is at the Wildlife Sanctuary, NOT here. However even if it doesn't work out, you can know the money is going to a good place.... a vital resource you may require if you happen to be the next one to come across an animal in need. If you, like me, have been MEANING to donate, now is the time! 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Name: racc.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 31945 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.ottawaveg.com/pipermail/vegchat/attachments/20060613/d87d5c11/attachment-0001.jpg From edandrea at magma.ca Wed Jun 14 13:31:25 2006 From: edandrea at magma.ca (Edelweiss D'Andrea) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 09:31:25 -0400 Subject: [VegChat] McGuinty breaks coal phase-out promise Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: cleanair-l-bounces at list.web.net [mailto:cleanair-l-bounces at list.web.net]On Behalf Of Ontario Clean Air Alliance Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 3:49 PM To: cleanair-l at list.web.net Subject: [cleanair-l] McGuinty breaks coal phase-out promise June 13, 2006 - Today Dalton McGuinty broke his promise to phase-out Ontario's four remaining dirty coal-fired power plants by 2009. This is a huge betrayal of the people of Ontario and a huge step backwards for public health -- our coal plants kill 668 people per year in this province and cost us billions in health costs. Moreover, McGuinty's broken promise will prevent Ontario from meeting its Kyoto Protocol greenhouse gas emission reduction target in 2010. When Ernie Eves was Premier, the Government of Ontario was committed to phasing-out all of Ontario's dirty coal-fired power plants by 2015. As of today, Premier McGuinty is not even committed to achieving Ernie Eves' 2015 coal-phase-out date. According to a report issued on Friday by the Independent Electricity System Operator (IESO), the Government was on track to achieve its goal of phasing-out the Atikokan and Thunder Bay coal-fired power plants by 2007. However, today the McGuinty Government cancelled its contract with Union Gas to build a gas pipeline that would permit the conversion of the Thunder Bay coal plant to natural gas. As a result, the McGuinty Government appears to have deliberately sabotaged its ability to phase-out coal-burning at the Atikokan and Thunder Bay Generating Stations in 2007. The McGuinty Government's "balanced" plan for Ontario's energy future released today is all about increasing our dependence on high cost, high risk nuclear power while continuing to rely on coal as a back-up for the unreliable nuclear units. The commitments to improving efficiency and conservation in the new plan are so weak that Ontario's already excessive electricity consumption will climb by another 10% over the next 20 years if the plan is successful! In other words, Premier McGuinty is running -- not walking -- away from his commitment to create a conservation culture in Ontario. Despite the Liberal's window dressing, this plan is directly about increasing our nuclear capacity by 23% from our existing installed capacity of 11,397 MW to 14,000 MW. Instead of investing in increased efficiency, clean renewable power and combined heat and power, the Liberals want to throw more money down the drain on nuclear power and ineffective end-of-pipe scrubbers for coal plants they once promised to close -- while standing by as the electricity productivity gap with our major competitors opens even wider. It's not acceptable. We urge you to immediately phone the Premier's office at 416-325-1941, and tell Dalton McGuinty that he has lost your confidence on this issue. This is an action we are requesting with deep regret, but the fiasco of an energy plan presented today by his government leaves us with no other choice. Please pass this message on to your friends. Thank you. 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We are asking for a commitment of approximately 3 hours of time and then you could spend the remainder of your time taking in the festival. There is also the "Clydesville Music Festival" taking place the same weekend, which should be a lot of fun. If you wanted to stay overnight, New Life Retreat, which is about 8 min. from Lanark, offers accommodations and camping. Most of the jobs are physical in nature such as set up/take down/directing traffic, etc. A few sedentary jobs include tourism, greeters, and committee booths. We ask those interested in volunteering to please attend an orientation session on Sunday afternoon, July 8th, but if you can't make the session we can inform you about the details, probably by phone or some other means. The more help we have, the smoother the festival will proceed without making a large demand on a few. If you are interested in volunteering, please contact Chas Dietrich at (613) 259-3337 or email chasdiet at magma.ca by June 16. I would also look into car pooling if you are coming from Ottawa. If you know of someone who may be interested in volunteering, please forward them to us or give us a contact number. Thanks so much. Chas Dietrich Manager, New Life Retreat RR #4 453 Dobbie Rd. Lanark, ON, Canada K0G 1K0 www.newliferetreat.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------- From edandrea at magma.ca Mon Jun 19 01:21:06 2006 From: edandrea at magma.ca (Edelweiss D'Andrea) Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 21:21:06 -0400 Subject: [VegChat] Stop eating meat to help stop climate change? Message-ID: Hard to swallow New research indicates that gas-guzzling cars are a much less important factor in climate change than the huge amounts of food devoured by carnivorous 'burger man'. Jonathon Porritt on the geopolitics of food. Jonathon Porritt Wednesday January 04 2006 The Guardian Of all the seasonal homilies about "green" Christmases and "sustainable" new year pledges - an oxymoron if ever I've heard one - only one stuck in my mind: each of us could make a bigger contribution to reducing emissions of greenhouse gases by becoming a vegan than by converting to an eco-friendly car. Researchers at the University of Chicago have calculated the relative carbon intensity of a standard vegan diet in comparison to a US-style carnivorous diet, all the way through from production to processing to distribution to cooking and consumption. An average burger man (that is, not the outsize variety) emits the equivalent of 1.5 tonnes more CO2 every year than the standard vegan. By comparison, were you to trade in your conventional gas-guzzler for a state of the art Prius hybrid, your CO2 savings would amount to little more than one tonne per year. This may come as a bit of a shock to climate change campaigners. "Stop eating meat" is unlikely to be the favourite slogan of the new Stop Climate Chaos coalition. Even "eat less meat" might not go down too well, even though Compassion in World Farming has produced an utterly compelling explanation - in their report, Global Benefits of Eating Less Meat - of why this really is the way forward. The basic rule of thumb is that it takes 2kg of feed to produce every kilogram of chicken, 4kg for pork, and at least 7kg for beef. The more meat we eat, the more grain, soya and other feedstuffs we need. So when we hear that the total global meat demand is expected to grow from 209m tonnes in 1997 to around 327m tonnes in 2020, what we have to hold in our mind is all the extra hectares of land required, all the extra water consumed, the extra energy burned, and the extra chemicals applied to grow the requisite amount of feed to produce 327m tonnes of meat. Only a tiny proportion of those recently alerted to the threat of climate change would make any connection whatsoever between this and the food they eat. These are two entirely different zones of environmental reality - and getting one's head around climate change is proving to be enough of a challenge anyway. Mass awareness This year will undoubtedly be looked back on as the year when mass awareness at last kicked in - largely because it's been such a shocking year in terms both of disasters such as Hurricane Katrina and of the spate of new research findings about accelerating impacts on both the Arctic and the Antarctic, on the Russian and Canadian permafrost, on the acidification of the oceans, and so on. It was also the year when the debate about how much oil is left in the ground bubbled up again, with oil trading at more than $60 a barrel for far longer than analysts imagined possible. The Goldman Sachs prediction that oil could reach $100 a barrel within the next decade didn't seem quite so daft any more. The relatively imminent prospect of finding ourselves living in a carbon-constrained oil-scarce world is, at long last, beginning to impact on government policymakers. But policymakers in the agricultural wing of the Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs (Defra) may well be the last to wake up to this - even though the climate change team is only just down the corridor. My Christmas reading included a brave new Vision for the common agricultural policy (CAP), produced by Treasury and Defra, presumably as part of their campaign to see off Jacques Chirac and his legions of French peasants. All in all, it's quite a good read, but the section on food security (defined as "an individual's access to enough food to maintain a healthy and active life") is astonishingly complacent. As far as our government is concerned, it apparently doesn't matter any longer where the food we buy comes from, as long as it meets minimum food safety and animal welfare standards. If our big retailers can source their produce from elsewhere in the world at lower costs than UK producers, what's the problem? In a global economy, where food is treated just like any other traded commodity, we may still need farmers (for the time being at least), but we don't necessarily need them based in the UK itself. Many people believe the government has got this one badly wrong. Food isn't "just another commodity", it is the foundation of personal wellbeing and is inextricably interwoven into a nation's culture, character and land use. In that regard, farming and food production embody a set of skills and capabilities on which the long-term security of any nation still ultimately depends. To demonstrate this, just add a few more geopolitical variables to the pot - on top of climate change and declining availability of oil. Just before Christmas, we heard that the Chinese economy grew by 16.5% last year - almost twice as fast as official figures. Oil imports have soared correspondingly, and will keep on rising. China is no longer self-sufficient in food. As meat consumption rockets (from 4kg per person 40 years ago to nearly 60kg today), so too do imports of grain and soya. Competition for land and water has never been fiercer; protests and riots over land use are now commonplace. At least China's population isn't growing much any longer, unlike that of India and many other countries. We are on track for a world population of around 9bn by the middle of this century - 6bn more than in 1950. Massive increases in food production and in average yields have just about kept up with population growth so far, but at huge cost to the environment. And there are few agricultural experts who think we can any longer sustain that kind of increased productivity. Then start mixing them all together. When oil starts trading at $100 a barrel, what happens to food production systems that are entirely dependent on cheap fossil fuels? How secure - let alone economically viable - will today's global supply chains prove to be when the worst effects of climate change begin to impact on food production all around the world? What will be the impact on food production of more and more governments using more and more of their land for energy crops and biofuels in order to address the problem of climate change? Worst nightmare Modelling these variables is a policy-maker's worst nightmare, but they absolutely cannot be ignored. Unfortunately, they barely feature in Defra's new vision, which seeks to persuade its readers that there is no alternative but to accelerate the globalisation of the food economy. "Complete self-sufficiency" is summarily dismissed, as if anyone is out there arguing for complete self-sufficiency anyway. What they are arguing for might be termed "cost-effective self-reliance", as a hedge against the growing threat of widespread ecological and social disruption - food security seen in terms of land use, quality, sustainability and food safety, not just temporary availability and access. And that means policies that do not leave our farmers gratuitously disadvantaged by overseas producers who care little for the state of the environment or animal welfare; policies that actively promote local sourcing, obliging our retailers to be as smart and creative about local supply chains as they are about global supply chains; policies that set out systematically to reduce carbon intensity in food production and distribution; policies that build on the excellent work already achieved through the public sector food procurement initiative, and the development of new agri-environment measures. It also means a rather different vision, acknowledging up front that a sustainable future for the UK depends on securing a thriving rural economy, and that this, in turn, depends on keeping sustainable food production absolutely at the heart of the rural economy. This may come as a bit of a surprise to some conservationists today, but the worst possible outcome for the British countryside and the global environment would be further reform of the CAP - ostensibly in the name of "more environment-friendly farming" - that resulted in more and more farmers going out of business. Which is precisely why we need a much more intelligent debate about food security than the one we're getting at the moment. Jonathon Porritt is programme director of Forum for the Future and chairman of the UK Sustainable Development Commission. His book, Capitalism As If The World Matters, is published by Earthscan Hardback. He will be speaking, with Ken Livingstone, Monty Don, Caroline Lucas and others, at the Soil Association's 60th anniversary conference in London on Friday and Saturday. Further information at: www.soilassociation.org/conference Copyright Guardian Newspapers Limited -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ottawaveg.com/pipermail/vegchat/attachments/20060618/2cc49c00/attachment.html From em664 at freenet.carleton.ca Mon Jun 19 02:48:06 2006 From: em664 at freenet.carleton.ca (David Wardell) Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 22:48:06 -0400 Subject: [VegChat] Public Transit? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <44961066.101@ncf.ca> Consider, An O.C. transpo Bus uses approximately 150 liters of diesel fuel per hundred kilometers travelled. The average number of passengers carried throughout the day on a O.C. transpo bus is 15. This gives an average fuel consumption for the bus fleet of 10 liters of deisel per hundred kilometers for every passenger. Compare this to a the new small car such as the Toyota Echo or Honda Civic which use about 5 liters per hundred kilometers. This is half the fuel per passenger a bus uses. Also, if you have a passenger on board, then the fuel use per passenger is only one quarter used by the bus. More than this even, is that the new passenger cars have emissions control and pollute very little, while the bus has no pollution controls what so ever and causes air pollution equal too several hundred Honda's. Dave W. From v at vaalea.com Mon Jun 19 15:47:23 2006 From: v at vaalea.com (vaalea) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 11:47:23 -0400 Subject: [VegChat] Public Transit? References: <44961066.101@ncf.ca> Message-ID: <02d401c693b7$a8b26680$6500a8c0@v> Well, now they are doing that light rail to the airport.... ? when I heard light rail, I was thinking in my head something more along the lines of a monorail. I'm a bit disappointed because I HATE the look of all those wires hanging across the streets. I thought one thing to make the city/neighbourhoods more beautiful was burying hydro/telephone wires (was discussed for the glebe), but now we are going to have the messy tram-style wire-covered streets?? ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Wardell" To: "For all discussion not animal related (health, environment, etc).Called " chat" becausethis is for all kinds of frequent interaction." Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2006 10:48 PM Subject: [VegChat] Public Transit? > Consider, > > An O.C. transpo Bus uses approximately 150 liters of diesel fuel per > hundred kilometers travelled. The average number of passengers carried > throughout the day on a O.C. transpo bus is 15. > > This gives an average fuel consumption for the bus fleet of 10 liters of > deisel per hundred kilometers for every passenger. > > Compare this to a the new small car such as the Toyota Echo or Honda Civic > which use about 5 liters per hundred kilometers. > > This is half the fuel per passenger a bus uses. Also, if you have a > passenger on board, then the fuel use per passenger is only one quarter > used by the bus. > > More than this even, is that the new passenger cars have emissions control > and pollute very little, while the bus has no pollution controls what so > ever and causes air pollution equal too several hundred Honda's. > > Dave W. > From v at vaalea.com Mon Jun 19 16:44:20 2006 From: v at vaalea.com (vaalea) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 12:44:20 -0400 Subject: [VegChat] Couple other things.... Message-ID: <02e801c693bf$9d9322a0$6500a8c0@v> oops, last email I meant barrhaven which is further than the airport.... http://www.topiaenergy.com/ - Ottawa's bio-diesel/ethanol pumps now has food. It's not (all) vegetarian, but it does say organic: http://www.ccnmatthews.com/news/releases/show.jsp?action=showRelease&actionFor=554144 http://ottawa-blues-jazz.ncf.ca/bowshows1.html Benefit for The United Nation's Refugee Program with various artists, 8 pm at Rainbow Bistro A new Ottawa Farmers' Market is being organized in the Ottawa core area. This market will feature only Ottawa area products sold by the local people who produce them. Plans are for the Ottawa Farmers' Market to be open at Lansdowne Park on Sundays starting July 2nd and continuing until Halloween. This is a very different market as the producers will be running the market, whereas only a handful of outdoor vendors in the Byward Market actually grow their own produce. For those who enjoy art (some were at Art in the Park): Eighth Annual Art in our Gardens Tour July 8-9 in the Glebe... for some reason there is no info on this online as far as I can see, but you can find out more by picking up a copy of the Glebe Report. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ottawaveg.com/pipermail/vegchat/attachments/20060619/4630b6e5/attachment.html From jdunlop at connect.carleton.ca Tue Jun 20 14:08:19 2006 From: jdunlop at connect.carleton.ca (Jayme Dunlop) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 10:08:19 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [VegChat] Public Transit? Message-ID: <3491438.1150812499396.JavaMail.jdunlop@connect.carleton.ca> While nobody can argue that buses are the most fuel efficient means of transportation, not everyone is driving around a compact Toyota. There is also the issue of traffic congestion, which is reaching epic proportions here in Toronto. My commute home is taking 50% longer than it should, Eglinton street is a mess ? I haven't been back to Ottawa in over a year, what exactly is this new light rail system going to be like? Is it just an extension of the rail system running through Carleton that goes to South Keys? That train system was such a waste of resources! vaalea wrote: >Well, now they are doing that light rail to the airport.... ? >when I heard light rail, I was thinking in my head something more along the >lines of a monorail. I'm a bit disappointed because I HATE the look of all >those wires hanging across the streets. I thought one thing to make the >city/neighbourhoods more beautiful was burying hydro/telephone wires (was >discussed for the glebe), but now we are going to have the messy tram-style >wire-covered streets?? > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "David Wardell" >To: "For all discussion not animal related (health, environment, etc).Called >" chat" becausethis is for all kinds of frequent interaction." > >Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2006 10:48 PM >Subject: [VegChat] Public Transit? > > >> Consider, >> >> An O.C. transpo Bus uses approximately 150 liters of diesel fuel per >> hundred kilometers travelled. The average number of passengers carried >> throughout the day on a O.C. transpo bus is 15. >> >> This gives an average fuel consumption for the bus fleet of 10 liters of >> deisel per hundred kilometers for every passenger. >> >> Compare this to a the new small car such as the Toyota Echo or Honda Civic >> which use about 5 liters per hundred kilometers. >> >> This is half the fuel per passenger a bus uses. Also, if you have a >> passenger on board, then the fuel use per passenger is only one quarter >> used by the bus. >> >> More than this even, is that the new passenger cars have emissions control >> and pollute very little, while the bus has no pollution controls what so >> ever and causes air pollution equal too several hundred Honda's. >> >> Dave W. >> > > ------------ 416.825.9534 From v at vaalea.com Wed Jun 21 03:59:15 2006 From: v at vaalea.com (vaalea) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 23:59:15 -0400 Subject: [VegChat] Public Transit? References: <3491438.1150812499396.JavaMail.jdunlop@connect.carleton.ca> Message-ID: <015301c694e7$10b2fe40$6500a8c0@v> http://ottawa.ca/residents/lrt/index_en.shtml has the details. click on "experience it" and there is a 3d "virtual trip" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jayme Dunlop" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 10:08 AM Subject: Re: [VegChat] Public Transit? While nobody can argue that buses are the most fuel efficient means of transportation, not everyone is driving around a compact Toyota. There is also the issue of traffic congestion, which is reaching epic proportions here in Toronto. My commute home is taking 50% longer than it should, Eglinton street is a mess ? I haven't been back to Ottawa in over a year, what exactly is this new light rail system going to be like? Is it just an extension of the rail system running through Carleton that goes to South Keys? That train system was such a waste of resources! vaalea wrote: >Well, now they are doing that light rail to the airport.... ? >when I heard light rail, I was thinking in my head something more along the >lines of a monorail. I'm a bit disappointed because I HATE the look of all >those wires hanging across the streets. I thought one thing to make the >city/neighbourhoods more beautiful was burying hydro/telephone wires (was >discussed for the glebe), but now we are going to have the messy tram-style >wire-covered streets?? > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "David Wardell" >To: "For all discussion not animal related (health, environment, etc).Called >" chat" becausethis is for all kinds of frequent interaction." > >Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2006 10:48 PM >Subject: [VegChat] Public Transit? > > >> Consider, >> >> An O.C. transpo Bus uses approximately 150 liters of diesel fuel per >> hundred kilometers travelled. The average number of passengers carried >> throughout the day on a O.C. transpo bus is 15. >> >> This gives an average fuel consumption for the bus fleet of 10 liters of >> deisel per hundred kilometers for every passenger. >> >> Compare this to a the new small car such as the Toyota Echo or Honda Civic >> which use about 5 liters per hundred kilometers. >> >> This is half the fuel per passenger a bus uses. Also, if you have a >> passenger on board, then the fuel use per passenger is only one quarter >> used by the bus. >> >> More than this even, is that the new passenger cars have emissions control >> and pollute very little, while the bus has no pollution controls what so >> ever and causes air pollution equal too several hundred Honda's. >> >> Dave W. >> > > ------------ 416.825.9534 From arcticbeluga at hotmail.com Wed Jun 21 12:28:55 2006 From: arcticbeluga at hotmail.com (Arctic Beluga) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 12:28:55 +0000 Subject: [VegChat] Public Transit? Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ottawaveg.com/pipermail/vegchat/attachments/20060621/2713acf8/attachment.html From v at vaalea.com Wed Jun 21 13:03:14 2006 From: v at vaalea.com (vaalea) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 09:03:14 -0400 Subject: [VegChat] Public Transit? References: Message-ID: <019a01c69533$112a1880$6500a8c0@v> Plus if more and more people dumped their cars in favor of transit, The average number of passengers carried throughout the day on a O.C. transpo buses would most likely be more than 15? And the buses would run more frequently which makes it more convenient for everyone. I think David's figures should be seen as a wake-up call to fix our public transit problems rather than putting more Toyota Echo or Honda Civics on the road. (and the light rails they are planning are electric at least.) I also think they should do something about taxis.... both greener cars and finding a way to double up on passengers if possible and desired->more affordable. ----- Original Message ----- From: Arctic Beluga To: vegchat at ottawaveg.com Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 8:28 AM Subject: RE: [VegChat] Public Transit? I find your comments RE public transit simplistic and quite frankly very disturbing, particularly from such a chat group. Reading your comments would, for one, suggest that it is better to take your small car than to take public transit. But public transit is there, and therefore when you take your car, you are regardless adding +5 litres of gas / 100km (or whatever) to the environment. This is not just gas in pollution comming out, but all the problems associated with getting that gas, including wars. Currently our desire for gas is so great, that we are clearcutting major areas in Alberta, causing toxic lakes from the refining of the crude oil (where there is a loud 'beep" every minute to try to scare birds from landing in them), as we continue to exploit the infamous Tar Sands which have been in the media recently. This does not even get into the whole story of how the car was produced and the waste in that. My mom worked for Honda Canada and I got a summer job in the warehouse many years ago. THey had built a new building which was designed to have three compartments for recycling and one for trash. THey had offers from recycling companies who would PAY them to pick up the recyclables, and Honda could not be bothered to sort their trash. IN the warehouse you see that every single knob and screw and whatever is packaged in a plastic bag, and ten of those are in a bigger plastic bag, and ten of those are in a bigger plastic bag. The amount of packaging for the parts is unbelievable. The waste the goes into a car, which I am guilty to own, is disgusting. AFter all this, we have not even touched the maintenance of the car. Unless of course you are implying that we should get rid of public transport? The traffic is growing, there was more smog in Ottawa recently than in Toronto, and not everyone can afford a car anyway. Have you taken a bus during rush hour? THey are packed. Sometimes people are even left behind because the bus is too packed to pick them up. ARe you suggesting these people all take their cars and add to the traffic and pollution and gas consumption? In conclusion, I find your comments shooting down public transit to be quite disturbing and short-sighted. Barbara Muller arcticbeluga at hotmail.com School in Nepal: http://coe.unk.edu/nepal/village/Location.html Himanchal High School Nangi-2 Ramche VDC Myagdi district, Nepal School in the arctic (Kangiqsualujjuaq): www.kativik.qc.ca/ulluriaq/ "Teaching a child to not step on a caterpillar is as valuable for the child as it is for the caterpillar." --unknown ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Wardell Reply-To: "For all discussion not animal related (health, environment,etc). Called " chat"because this is for all kinds of frequent interaction." To: "For all discussion not animal related (health, environment, etc).Called " chat" becausethis is for all kinds of frequent interaction." Subject: [VegChat] Public Transit? Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 22:48:06 -0400 >Consider, > >An O.C. transpo Bus uses approximately 150 liters of diesel fuel per >hundred kilometers travelled. The average number of passengers >carried throughout the day on a O.C. transpo bus is 15. > >This gives an average fuel consumption for the bus fleet of 10 >liters of deisel per hundred kilometers for every passenger. > >Compare this to a the new small car such as the Toyota Echo or Honda >Civic which use about 5 liters per hundred kilometers. > >This is half the fuel per passenger a bus uses. Also, if you have a >passenger on board, then the fuel use per passenger is only one >quarter used by the bus. > >More than this even, is that the new passenger cars have emissions >control and pollute very little, while the bus has no pollution >controls what so ever and causes air pollution equal too several >hundred Honda's. > >Dave W. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Find out more about Canada's Real Estate Outlook in Sympatico / MSN's Spring Lending Features -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ottawaveg.com/pipermail/vegchat/attachments/20060621/50250225/attachment.html From v at vaalea.com Sun Jun 25 00:51:46 2006 From: v at vaalea.com (vaalea) Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 20:51:46 -0400 Subject: [VegChat] Bridgehead and Raccoons! and- Almost Zero Emissions? Message-ID: <038a01c697fc$9879cdf0$6500a8c0@v> Bridgehead Last September I wrote a nice email to Bridgehead saying I was happy to hear from the staff that they were working on some vegan options, and that places like Perfection S.P. create wonderful vegan cakes that you can't even tell are vegan... etc... and I got an email back saying they had been trying out recipes without success [that would appeal to all so that it is sold fast enough to be fresh]. So I emailed them back with these recipes (in case you all want to try them out too =0) _____________________________________________________________________ Chocolate Cake [Add ingred to one bowl in following order:]3 cups flour, 2c sugar, 1/2c cocoa, [Stir a little] 2tsoda, 2t bking powder, 1t salt, 2 t vanilla, 2Tvinegar, 1c oil, 2c water [Moisten by hand, then mix with electric mixer.] Do the usual floured pan or whatever (I do cupcakes). 350 30-35 mins approx. A "homemade" icing is pretty simple: Chocolate Frosting 1 stick (1/2 c.) vegan margarine (Earth Balance/Soy Garden available at Kardish Glebe and Loeb Glebe)- long fridge life. 2/3 c. cocoa 3 c. powdered sugar 1/3 c. soy or nut milk 1 tsp. vanilla extract Melt margarine'. Stir in cocoa. Alternately add powdered sugar and milk, beating on medium speed to spreading consistency. Add more milk, if needed. Add vanilla. Makes enough to frost a round 9" layered cake or one 9" x 13" square cake. - and if you don't like this icing, I'm sure I could get you several others. Also, since this cake is great for black forest (I personally am not a big fan of cherries), a variety of berries can be used as a middle layer. Otherwise a Peanut Butter Rice Krispie Squares recipe is SUPER easy, and would be popular: 1 c. corn syrup 1 c. brown sugar 1 c. creamy or chunky peanut butter 6 c. Rice Krispies cereal In a large saucepan over low heat, combine first 3 ingredients. Stirring constantly, bring to a boil and boil for 3 minutes.(Microwave is much easier -no stirring.) Add cereal and toss to coat well. Press into greased 13x9x2 inch pan. Cool and cut into 2x2 inch squares. Makes 32. and the icing: I can't remember the exact measurements, but it's a dark (semi-sweet, no dairy) chocolate chip and smooth peanut butter melted together and poured ontop of the squares. Chill and cut. I could get you the measurements if you like. (they have these squares available also at Herb and Spice... some of you guys may have tried them from there.) __________________________________________________________________ so I didn't hear anything back, and I didn't see any new vegan baking on the shelves. A couple weeks ago they sponsored? an Ocean Fest and had a "fact of the day" in the bathroom saying something about shadegrown plants like their coffee require less water or something. so I sent them my fact of the day: To feed a vegan for a day it requires about 300 gallons of water. 4x as much is required to feed a vegetarian (1200 gallons), and 14x as much to feed a meat-eater (4200 gallons). and again complained that their occasional vegan salad, some "nature bar" (meh-maybe it even has honey... only had it once. very dry) and dark chocolate bars just didn't satisfy a vegan like me. She responded by saying again that they haven't been impressed with their attempts at a vegan dessert/snack but that "virtually all of their soups and breads are vegan"... yeay! but still... how hard can it be to find one dinky little vegan recipe that would appeal to all the customers? ARGH!!!! I do of course love bridgehead stance on fair trade- (I almost wrote in my email to her "free-trade"..oops. and I found out I had mixed the two in a sign on my veg table as well by accident-no one pointed it out.) shade grown, etc etc, and their free wireless internet access ANYWAY, If you feel so inclined... (perhaps you step into Bridgehead now and then yourself).... please send an email to bridgehead encouraging them to offer at least one vegan dessert to satisfy ALL their customers... and offer your assistance if they need tried [easy?] and yummy vegan recipes. you can email them through their website contact form: http://www.bridgehead.ca/en/FeedBack.asp?SID=322663803221438494101830701035035877491914887010507236185181&LangID=1& or by contacting directly: Tracey Clark Managing Director tracey.clark at bridgehead.ca Raccoons You may have read my email asking for help for the raccoons... =0( anyway, hopefully the story had a happy ending.... we tried to reunite them with their mother at night but we didn't bother 'locking' them up. so every morning they were gone, and every night for I think 4 nights Sun-Wed they came back for food. Thurs-Sat they did not come for the food we left out, although Friday it was raining some of the night. We are assuming the best. In my reading I found out that there are average 10-25 raccoons per square km in the city... rather amazing since we rarely see them ;0).Anyway, with that kind of "density" I'm hoping that they ran into their family by the fourth/fifth night. Some other things... while they are often regarded as a nuisance.... raiding garbage cans with food because N.Americans tend to be wasteful and/or not compost in the city... they also eat grubs, and small rodents among other things considered "pests". they are classified carnivores even though we fed them veg*n pet food, and of course they will eat anything. I also found: "?I started looking into the behavior of raccoons in urbanized areas, where they are so successful,? said Gehrt, who has been involved with the Max McGraw Wildlife Foundation (MMWF) in Dundee, Ill., since 1994. ?We have found that raccoons are fairly tolerant of each other. Even if they don?t live in packs, they live in close proximity to each other, even sharing dens. Their home ranges usually overlap: they share ranges, dens and feeding spaces. So when you cut hunting and trapping, as is the case in the city, raccoons have even more chances for contact and reproduction. Cubs spend a long time with the mother in the family unit, and adult males seem to spend a lot of time together, too. This is a very unique social behavior.? " and "The devices[radio collars] are programmed to record every time a raccoon comes into contact with another within at least one meter (approximately three feet). The first study using these novel collars started last year and will continue this spring. It involves 44 radio-collared raccoons living in a little less than one square kilometer (1 sq km=247 acres). Last fall, one radio-collared subject had more than 400 contacts with 13 different raccoons in a single night." http://extension.osu.edu/~news/story.php?id=3077 And I forget where... New York City has the densest raccoon population in all of New York State. When cared for by humans, baby raccoons like human babies need to be burped after feeding. "It is widely believed that raccoons always "wash" their food. This is not true. They exhibit a behavior called "dabbling" in which they dunk their food in water. This helps enhance their sense of touch and helps them find food underwater by feeling with their sensitive fingers. It also enables them to sort out items that are not edible." http://www.bear-tracker.com/coon.html One person recently told me when they had been camping they raccoons found their sealed (resealable- but I understood it had not been yet opened) bag of marshmallows.... however instead of ripping/chewing through the plastic, they rather unzipped the bag to get the marshmallows. and "Raccoon mothers with babies enjoy a privileged position in the raccoon hierarchy for as long as the babies remain with the mother. Other raccoons will defer to a female with babies in feeding situations." says http://www.geocities.com/rainforest/vines/4892/raccoonfaq.html If you are interested in helping out the Rideau Wildlife Sanctuary, they need foster parents- if you have time to care for baby animals.... and also from their newsletter on their website- [which also btw has a totally adorable picture of a baby raccoon drinking out of a bottle on it] We are looking for release sites for the 19 squirrels we overwintered this year. They will be ready to go when the tree buds start blooming and there is an adequate food supply. Because regulations require us to release the squirrels within 15 kilometers of where they were found, we are looking for appropriate release sites in or near the following neighbourhoods: ? Carlingwood ? Bells Corners ? Barrhaven ? Island Park ? Sandy Hill ? Bank/Albion ? Mountain or South Mountain We will need even more release sites throughout the city for 2006 so please call us for further information if you are interested. (Spring babies are probably released sometime about now?... otherwise there are the fall babies needing releasing in the spring.) Device Burns Fuel with Almost Zero Emissions Simple design makes ultra-low emission combustion more efficient, affordable and stable ATLANTA (June 21, 2006) ? Georgia Tech researchers have created a new combustor (combustion chamber where fuel is burned to power an engine or gas turbine) designed to burn fuel in a wide range of devices ? with next to no emission of nitrogen oxide (NOx) and carbon monoxide (CO), two of the primary causes of air pollution. The device has a simpler design than existing state-of-the-art combustors and could be manufactured and maintained at a much lower cost, making it more affordable in everything from jet engines and power plants to home water heaters. more... http://www.gatech.edu/news-room/release.php?id=1020 (but still using non-renewable fuels is dumb) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ottawaveg.com/pipermail/vegchat/attachments/20060624/6aa1777c/attachment.html From v at vaalea.com Sun Jun 25 01:19:05 2006 From: v at vaalea.com (vaalea) Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 21:19:05 -0400 Subject: [VegChat] Excellent Veg*n Opportunity!!! Speak to OttawaU Student Nutrition team. References: <001201c68fc2$32eda3e0$67737a89@UNIVERSI68ED59> Message-ID: <038b01c697fc$98fd2ec0$6500a8c0@v> Hey guys! This sounds like an awesome opportunity... and I told her I would tell you to contact her directly... and suggested it may be helpful to have more than one person as not to "burden" one individual, and also for some diversity/better coverage of materials. ----- Original Message ----- From: Christine Rainey To: v at vaalea.com Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 10:52 AM Subject: University of Ottawa Peer Education Training Hello, My name is Christine Rainey and I am the Peer Education Coordinator for Health Promotion at the University of Ottawa. Each year, we train an energetic team of students to go out and educate their peers about Sexuality, Stress, Nutrition, Drugs, Alcohol, and Tobacco. We are in the process of planning our fall training and we are looking for an appropriate speaker for our Nutrition team to learn more about healthy vegetarianism - including the health considerations to watch out for and some ways to easily incorporate being a vegetarian into the student lifestyle. If you can share any contacts for someone like that with me I would appreciate the support, Thank you, Christine Rainey Coordinatrice de l`?ducation par les Pairs, Promotion de la sant? Peer Education Coordinator, Health Promotion Service de sant?, Universit? d'Ottawa University of Ottawa Health Services hppec at uottawa.ca 204-85 University Ottawa, ON K1N 6N5 Tel: (613) 562-5800 x4528 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ottawaveg.com/pipermail/vegchat/attachments/20060624/46bb4145/attachment.html