From v at vaalea.com  Sun Sep 17 03:39:51 2006
From: v at vaalea.com (vaalea)
Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 23:39:51 -0400
Subject: [VegChat] Beware of Soy Garden.... and marshmallow creme
Message-ID: <003301c6da0a$ef44f600$6500a8c0@v>

So I bought some Earth Balance Soy Garden butter at Hartmans with a best before date of Dec 06. When it was opened back at home, it had green mold on it. I went to pick some up from Kardish to use, with a best before date of March 07, and when I opened it up at home, it also had green mold, but not as much. I went back to Kardish with it, and they opened them all up - all had some mold. I went to return my container to Hartmans and also there all their containers had mold. I took instead an Earth Balance Organic Whipped butter with a best before date of April 07, and it was fine.
SO if you buy Soy Garden, you may want to open it before leaving the store, just in case you have to turn around and return it.

Does anyone know where to get Smucker's marshmallow creme?  People are saying it is vegan, although the label says kosker D (maybe just the equipment they use)
http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=smuckers+marshmallow+vegan&spell=1
http://smuckers.com/fg/ict/default.asp?groupid=4&catid=48&prodid=91
I don't know where I can buy it. Marshmallow creme and cream cheese mixed is a great strawberry (all fruit?) dip.
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From dr.dreammaker at gmail.com  Mon Sep 18 05:12:27 2006
From: dr.dreammaker at gmail.com (dr.dreammaker)
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 01:12:27 -0400
Subject: [VegChat] Beware of Soy Garden.... and marshmallow creme
In-Reply-To: <003301c6da0a$ef44f600$6500a8c0@v>
References: <003301c6da0a$ef44f600$6500a8c0@v>
Message-ID: <f8e508320609172212k73fc97ffn7a5487fc903f49b@mail.gmail.com>

the only place i've ever seen smucker's marshmallow fluff is in the states..
my friend bought a jar of it when we went to the target in syracuse...

and, from what the ingredients list, it is vegan... though, lord only knows
whenever you think something's vegan, it isn't... best bet might be to make
your own vegan marshmallows... though that would also be more effort...

anyone have any good vegan marshmallow recipes??? i've found some on the
net... but haven't yet tried to make any...

xo.

kelly.


On 9/16/06, vaalea <v at vaalea.com> wrote:
>
>  So I bought some Earth Balance Soy Garden butter at Hartmans with a best
> before date of Dec 06. When it was opened back at home, it had green mold on
> it. I went to pick some up from Kardish to use, with a best before date of
> March 07, and when I opened it up at home, it also had green mold, but not
> as much. I went back to Kardish with it, and they opened them all up - all
> had some mold. I went to return my container to Hartmans and also there all
> their containers had mold. I took instead an Earth Balance Organic Whipped
> butter with a best before date of April 07, and it was fine.
> SO if you buy Soy Garden, you may want to open it before leaving the
> store, just in case you have to turn around and return it.
>
> Does anyone know where to get Smucker's marshmallow creme?  People are
> saying it is vegan, although the label says kosker D (maybe just the
> equipment they use)
>
> http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=smuckers+marshmallow+vegan&spell=1
> http://smuckers.com/fg/ict/default.asp?groupid=4&catid=48&prodid=91
> I don't know where I can buy it. Marshmallow creme and cream cheese mixed
> is a great strawberry (all fruit?) dip.
>



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From v at vaalea.com  Tue Sep 19 21:59:46 2006
From: v at vaalea.com (vaalea)
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 17:59:46 -0400
Subject: [VegChat] The Great Warming 7pm tonight,
	Kardish customer appreciation
Message-ID: <004501c6dc36$eca07040$6500a8c0@v>

The Great Warming, first of 3 parts narrated by Keanu Reeves and Alanis Morissette, is on TV tonight 24 - TVOntario
http://www.ec.gc.ca/EnviroZine/english/issues/43/feature4_e.cfm
Sorry for the last minute notice... I saw trailers for it and didn't take the time back then to write down the info.

The Glebe Kardish is having a customer appreciation day on Sept 21st. I don't know if it extends to other Kardish locations. The deal is 20% off most things sold in the store. I asked what the exceptions would be and they said soymilk for one, but were not too specific.
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From v at vaalea.com  Tue Sep 19 23:57:17 2006
From: v at vaalea.com (vaalea)
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 19:57:17 -0400
Subject: [VegChat] The Great Warming.... great!
Message-ID: <007301c6dc47$579fd880$6500a8c0@v>

Well, it's nothing new for most/all of us I'm sure, but a la An Inconvenient Truth, you don't want to miss it. If you didn't catch it tonight, it replays at the times below.
http://tvlistings5.zap2it.com/tvlistings/ProgramDetailAction.do?method=getOtherEpisodes&programId=EP6478630001&lineupId=PC:K1S3

The Great Warming
      The Human Fingerprint  24  CICA Tue 9/19 7:00 PM 
            24  CICA Wed 9/20 2:00 AM 
            24  CICA Sat 9/23 6:00 PM 
     
      Age of Uncertainty 
      Ignoring climate changes can contribute to the destruction of civilizations. 24  CICA Tue 9/26 7:00 PM 
            24  CICA Wed 9/27 2:00 AM 
            24  CICA Sat 9/30 6:00 PM 
     
      Our Children's Planet  24  CICA Tue 10/3 7:00 PM 
     
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From pamela_bjcu at yahoo.ca  Tue Sep 19 22:34:19 2006
From: pamela_bjcu at yahoo.ca (Pamela)
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 18:34:19 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [VegChat] vegan casual employment opportunity
In-Reply-To: <004501c6dc36$eca07040$6500a8c0@v>
Message-ID: <20060919223419.91910.qmail@web54208.mail.yahoo.com>

Hello

I had the pleasure of meeting vegan ironman Brendan
Brazier last week (www.brendanbrazier.com).  He also
hocks vegan protein shakes and energy bars, under the
Vega brand.

He e-mailed me and mentioned that he and his
distributor are looking for a couple people to do
in-store demos of the product in the Ottawa area, and
to spread the word a bit to see if anyone I know is
interested. I don't have any more details than that.

So if you--or anyone you know--have any interest in
this, let me know and I in turn will let Brendan know.
My e-mail is pamela_bjcu at yahoo.ca.

Also, check out tomorrow's Citizen, on page B5 I've
included a small story about Brendan and his "Vega
Challenge."

Pamela

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From mark at simplyraw.ca  Wed Sep 20 00:00:02 2006
From: mark at simplyraw.ca (Mark (SimplyRaw))
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 20:00:02 -0400
Subject: [VegChat] The Great Warming 7pm tonight,
	Kardish customer appreciation
In-Reply-To: <004501c6dc36$eca07040$6500a8c0@v>
References: <004501c6dc36$eca07040$6500a8c0@v>
Message-ID: <45108482.2020007@simplyraw.ca>

Thanks for sending this out - I just watched it and it was very 
interesting.  Do you know when parts 2 & 3 will air?

I also went to see An Inconvenient Truth a few weeks ago, which follows 
Al Gore's climate change presentation - a very powerful movie well worth 
checking out.



vaalea wrote:
> The Great Warming, first of 3 parts narrated by Keanu Reeves and Alanis 
> Morissette, is on TV tonight 24 - TVOntario
> http://www.ec.gc.ca/EnviroZine/english/issues/43/feature4_e.cfm
> Sorry for the last minute notice... I saw trailers for it and didn't 
> take the time back then to write down the info.
>  
> The Glebe Kardish is having a customer appreciation day on Sept 21st. I 
> don't know if it extends to other Kardish locations. The deal is 20% off 
> most things sold in the store. I asked what the exceptions would be and 
> they said soymilk for one, but were not too specific.



From pekieca at yahoo.com  Thu Sep 21 18:21:22 2006
From: pekieca at yahoo.com (K)
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 14:21:22 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [VegChat] Beware of Soy Garden.... and marshmallow creme
In-Reply-To: <003301c6da0a$ef44f600$6500a8c0@v>
Message-ID: <20060921182122.27506.qmail@web52704.mail.yahoo.com>

Thanks for that info.   I buy that brand too.
   
  Have you seen Primo Lentil Soup anywhere?   It looks as though they stopped making it...:-(  Campbell's has a "Healthy Request" soup loaded with beans but it has both beef and chicken stock in it, so not an option.   
   
  Here's a cool site loaded with veg recipes - even a lime hummus!
   
  http://vegweb.com/
   
  Katherine

vaalea <v at vaalea.com> wrote:
          So I bought some Earth Balance Soy Garden butter at Hartmans with a best before date of Dec 06. When it was opened back at home, it had green mold on it. I went to pick some up from Kardish to use, with a best before date of March 07, and when I opened it up at home, it also had green mold, but not as much. I went back to Kardish with it, and they opened them all up - all had some mold. I went to return my container to Hartmans and also there all their containers had mold. I took instead an Earth Balance Organic Whipped butter with a best before date of April 07, and it was fine.
  SO if you buy Soy Garden, you may want to open it before leaving the store, just in case you have to turn around and return it.
   
  Does anyone know where to get Smucker's marshmallow creme?  People are saying it is vegan, although the label says kosker D (maybe just the equipment they use)
  http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=smuckers+marshmallow+vegan&spell=1
  http://smuckers.com/fg/ict/default.asp?groupid=4&catid=48&prodid=91
  I don't know where I can buy it. Marshmallow creme and cream cheese mixed is a great strawberry (all fruit?) dip.


 		
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From v at vaalea.com  Sat Sep 23 17:52:14 2006
From: v at vaalea.com (vaalea)
Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2006 13:52:14 -0400
Subject: [VegChat] shaklee, iron, ecco bella, Enviro Film Day tomorrow
Message-ID: <00f001c6df39$028db890$6500a8c0@v>

First - my email doesn't seem to be working. It's not alerting me that there are emails waiting to be released to the list. If you are sending emails to any of the ottawaveg mailing lists, you may want to bcc me personally, otherwise emails may be delayed a couple days.

Does anyone have any opinions on Shaklee? My aunt has been selling their stuff, and they say no animal testing and environmentally friendly... but I don't know about animal ingredients. Here are some links. I've been hearing good reviews from people other than my aunt, so I'm curious.
http://72.14.207.104/search?q=cache:Pn15FXfdLWEJ:www.peta.org/feat/annual_review04/trueFriends.asp+shaklee+vegan&hl=en&gl=ca&ct=clnk&cd=5
http://www.shaklee.com/main/noanimal
http://www.shaklee.com/main/getclean/ourconvictions/green

We talked a while back about iron supplements a while back and I wanted to let you know about one that I noticed recently at Kardish... http://www.auravita.com/products/aura/SAHA10710.asp?RefId=800&adid=SAHA10710 . I find them very convenient to take, especially compared to the liquid. Some girl on the net was saying that gold reveals iron deficiencies... that she rubbed gold on her hand and her skin darkened to the touch... then after putting some iron in her body, her skin didn't react to the gold anymore. I looked it up on the net and they said it was an old wives tale. I don't think I have anything gold to try it out myself.

I went to the Kardish 20% off day and bought some things I would normally talk myself out of.... one thing was one of those wood fiber clothes to try out... I'll let you know after I use it.... does anyone else have reviews on such a thing? Well, I picked up some Ecco Bella air freshener http://www.eccobella.com/index.asp?cat=bath&spage=psearch&pid=63928 the vanilla hazelnut was so impressive I went back and picked up a fruit one as well. If you take off the cap you can smell it before buying. Yum.

I saw this posted on Livejournal:
Enviro Film Day / Journ?e de films environnementaux 
What: Fundraiser for the U of O delegation to the National Sustainable Campus Conference at UPEI.
Where: Marion auditorium, University of Ottawa
When: Sunday, September 24th, 10am-10pm
Cost: $5 for whole day, $3 for one film

Quoi: Lev?e de fonds pour la d?l?gation de l'U d'O ? la Conf?rence nationale des campus durables ? l'Universit? de l'IPE.
O?: Auditorium du pavillon Marion, Universit? d'Ottawa
Quand: Dimanche, 24 septembre, 10h-22h
Co?t: 5$ pour la journ?e, 3$ pour un film 
Schedule / Horaire

10h: Captain Planet
11h: Smoggies

Noon: Pancakes! / Cr?pes

13h: Still We Ride
14h: Baraka
16h: Seeds of Change
17h30: L'erreur bor?ale
19h: Monumental
20h30: Soylent Green
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From v at vaalea.com  Sat Sep 23 19:03:34 2006
From: v at vaalea.com (vaalea)
Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2006 15:03:34 -0400
Subject: [VegChat] Soup!
References: <20060921182122.27506.qmail@web52704.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <017d01c6df42$f8155120$6500a8c0@v>

I have not noticed Primo Lentil Soup.... I always find the soup section annoying because EVERYTHING has something animal in it... or so it seems sometimes. I really liked Baxter's Carrot and Butterbean soup which I've seen around but was buying at Loeb in the Glebe... lately I've only seen some Baxter's Beef vegetable or something.. but no carrot butterbean. =0(

My favorite soup of all time is my curried cheese cauliflower soup. =0) 
layer of yukon gold potatoes in the bottom of the pan, boiled with bouillon of McCormick all-vegetable chicken. fill the pan up with cauliflower, (maybe 2/3 to 3/4 cauliflower to the potatoes?) When cooked, mash it all up with a little water remaining in the pan, add melted block of vegan gourmet mozz (or less), add soymilk to desired consistency (almost a whole tetrapak), add curry.. lots of curry... but not too much - whatever tastes good to you. 

Same thing with broccoli... I've never tried it with curry cheese soup, but maybe it would work since curried cheese sauce does taste awesome on broccoli. Anyway layer of yukon gold potatoes in the bottom of the pan, boiled with bouillon of McCormick all-vegetable chicken. fill the pan up with broccoli, (maybe 2/3 to 3/4 broccoli to the potatoes?) When cooked, mash it all up with a little water remaining in the pan, add soymilk to desired consistency (almost a whole tetrapak), add salt to taste.

I need to experiment more with soups this winter I think. 
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: K 
  To: For all discussion not animal related (health, environment, etc). Called &quot, chat&quot, because this is for all kinds of frequent interaction. 
  Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 2:21 PM
  Subject: Re: [VegChat] Beware of Soy Garden.... and marshmallow creme


  Thanks for that info.   I buy that brand too.

  Have you seen Primo Lentil Soup anywhere?   It looks as though they stopped making it...:-(  Campbell's has a "Healthy Request" soup loaded with beans but it has both beef and chicken stock in it, so not an option.   

  Here's a cool site loaded with veg recipes - even a lime hummus!

  http://vegweb.com/

  Katherine
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From v at vaalea.com  Sat Sep 23 19:37:20 2006
From: v at vaalea.com (vaalea)
Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2006 15:37:20 -0400
Subject: [VegChat] Tomorrow - Feast of Fields
Message-ID: <018801c6df47$b0303820$6500a8c0@v>

One more event tomorrow:

Date: Sunday, September 24, 2006 (Rain or Shine) 
Place: Vincent Massey Park (near Riverside Drive and Heron Road) 
Time: Noon to 4:00 p.m. (Food Served 12:00 - 2:00)

      Highlights: . Field Marshal for the day: Adrian Harewood,
      Host of CBC Radio One's All in a Day 
        . Best Food Team Award - 3:00 p.m. 

Event Description:

Experts agree that local, organic food is our best choice for nutrition, taste, and our environment. This event provides a unique opportunity to sample such food, the best of our fall harvest, prepared by Chefs from over 20 top restaurants in Ottawa, Gatineau and region.

Fresh organic produce and processed foods will be for sale. The event will feature live music and other entertainment for all ages. The towering trees of Vincent Massey Park provide a beautiful natural setting under which to sample delicious food, meet your favourite chefs and the farmers that make eating local food possible.

Food will be served until 2:00 pm. A "Best Food/Booth" Award will be presented at 3:00 pm. 

Canadian Organic Growers (COG), a volunteer, non-profit organization, is the national voice for organic food producers and consumers in Canada. The Ottawa Chapter is the largest in the country.

A sampling of this years restaurants include Baldachin Inn, The Urban Element, Domus Caf?, The Urban Pear, Sweetgrass Aboriginal Bistro, Les Foug?res, The Green Door Restaurant, The Table Vegetarian Restaurant, Ironworks Pub, Sam Jakes Inn, Dish Catering and The Red Apron. For a complete list of participants please see: www.feastoffields.ca. 

Tickets available at participating health food stores, select farmers markets and Arbour Environmental Shop in the Ottawa/Gatineau and surrounding area. Advance tickets are$30 for adults and $10 for children ages 6-11. Prizes to be won. Tickets at the gate will be limited.

Over 500 participants are expected to attend Feast of Fields 2006. Feedback from last year's event was extremely positive.


http://cog.ca/ottawa/feast_of_fields/index.html
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From m.faul at sympatico.ca  Sat Sep 23 20:45:12 2006
From: m.faul at sympatico.ca (Mark Faul)
Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2006 16:45:12 -0400
Subject: [VegChat] The National Capital Vegetarian Association
Message-ID: <45159CD8.1080105@sympatico.ca>

Hello everyone,

I am currently working full time to launch the National Capital
Vegetarian Association as a new registered charitable organization.
Ottawa has never had such an organization, and given the thriving
veg-friendly community in Ottawa and surrounding area, we feel that
there is both the demand and potential to have a great impact in the
National Capital Region.

The primary focus of the organization is on the health benefits of a
plant-based diet, with a mission "to inspire and support individuals to
adopt and maintain a plant-based diet towards improving public health in
the National Capital Region."

At this point in time I'm circulating this message primarily to give
everyone a heads-up; but also because we are urgently looking for a
volunteer lawyer to work on our board of directors.  We have 2 Ottawa U
law students volunteering to conduct legal research, and need a lawyer
to supervise their work.  Additionally we need the lawyer to review and
advise us on legal filings.  We anticipate about 4-5 hours of work per
month.

We will also need the services of an accountant in the future.

If anyone knows of a lawyer or accountant who would be interested in
working with us; or if you are interested in getting involved in the
NCVA in other ways, please contact me.

Warm Regards,

Mark
m.faul at sympatico.ca
613-322-1470




From juliusmartov at hotmail.com  Sat Sep 23 19:57:15 2006
From: juliusmartov at hotmail.com (Vincent Guihan)
Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2006 15:57:15 -0400
Subject: [VegChat] Vietnamese Palace
Message-ID: <BAY108-F252604776A8ED1982877B2C0260@phx.gbl>


I went to Vietnamese Palace last night.  It was very vegetarian friendly, 
with some interesting dishes, a couple faux meat options, yadda yadda.  It 
was also a big place (two floors), service was good and prices were pretty 
reasonable.  Food was also very fresh.  Might be a good place for a future 
meetup.

http://www.restaurantthing.com/ShowRestaurant.aspx?id=542

V




From v at vaalea.com  Sun Sep 24 06:27:02 2006
From: v at vaalea.com (vaalea)
Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2006 02:27:02 -0400
Subject: [VegChat] More info on Delta opportunity
Message-ID: <0dfc01c6dfa2$738611a0$6500a8c0@v>

I was told I could pass this on to the list, in case any one is interested in such an opportunity. The bottom half says "with meat for the carnivore", but I followed up and  they are flexible on this and would actually prefer to have all veg*n, but had said meat cause they were thinking of being more accommodating the local farming community.

___________________________________________________________________

Yes... I did need quite a lot of help... the film project is coming together 
and we are beginning to shoot soon.  I can not discuss the details, with 
exception that it is high spirited, quality production with sights on Cannes 
07... filmed in Barcelona and Delta.

I would like to begin interviewing, and developing a height level team with 
multiple skills... from food to multi-media. Could be a paycheck at the end, 
but no guarantee.  Depends fully on the quality of the team and their 
ability to synergize.  The launch is Oct 23, and those who invest their time 
until then will be the ones we take to Cannes.  Please invite your friends 
to send their resumes ASAP, and be prepared for a ride of joy.
  For your information, Studio 55 stile as a vision to include an organic veggie cafe, with some meat for the carnivore.  We are blocked by plumbing issues right now, but this could come together as early as next spring.  With the right partner to manage the project, us supplying the space, it could begin to  realize anytime.  We see this as a three season opportunity for the first 5 years, until Delta comes to life as a destination for arts and culture.  

  If you wish to talk this up with your communty, feel free do so.

  See http://ca.blog.360.yahoo.com/studio55.delta for an overview of Studio 55.

  Nostrovia,
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From edandrea at magma.ca  Mon Sep 25 02:14:51 2006
From: edandrea at magma.ca (Edelweiss D'Andrea)
Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2006 22:14:51 -0400
Subject: [VegChat] The Passionate Eye: Climate Change
Message-ID: <PPEKLOAICIHMNBDNCLMNEEOBCJAA.edandrea@magma.ca>

http://www.cbc.ca/bigpicture/planet.html

The Passionate Eye is featuring a documentary by Avi Lewis tonight (now,
actually) at 10 pm. It's not too late to catch next week's episode, the
second part. Here's an article on Attenborough:


It's serious ? Attenborough says stop climate change
Long a sceptic, David Attenborough tells Stuart Wavell why he is now certain
the planet is warming up and issues a call to arms


Like many of the animals he observes, David Attenborough is a creature of
habit. For half a century he has marked out his territory in natural history
films with a remit to explain what he calls ?the glory of life?. Heavy
sermonising is not his way. A leopard does not change its spots. Its cough
is discreet.
Admiration for the veteran broadcaster, 80 earlier this month, has been
tempered by chiding voices of late. An estimated 1 billion people have seen
his programmes, so why, ask critics, can?t this most mesmerising of
presenters use his platform to more outspoken effect? They thought he could
have made the green message more explicit in his last series, Planet Earth.

This week we shall see a different Attenborough. He goes critical, assuming
the mantle of a wrathful prophet as he enters the battle for the planet
against climate change.

Attenborough had remained silent on the subject of global warming during the
debate on its validity. ?I was very sceptical,? he admits. His outlook
changed when climatologists showed him graphs linking the increase of carbon
dioxide in the atmosphere with rising temperatures.

?I was absolutely convinced this was no part of a normal climatic
oscillation which the Earth has been going through and that it was something
else,? he says.

The result of his conversion is a two-part BBC1 documentary starting on
Wednesday as part of the corporation?s Climate Chaos season, in which he
looks at the future impact of global warming and discovers what steps can
save the planet from dramatic change. It is another luminous production by
the BBC?s natural history unit, but this time infused with a stark warning.

Attenborough discovered a compelling reason for sounding the alarm. ?How
could I look my grandchildren in the eye and say I knew about this and I did
nothing?? According to colleagues, he also feels a strong public obligation.
?He?s very aware of the trust people hold in him,? says one.

I put this to Attenborough, described recently as the most trusted man in
Britain after Rolf Harris. The label sends him into a paroxysm of laughter
that leaves him gasping: ?Quite so . . . thank you . . . I don?t think I
need to say any more.?

But he does, veering off to blame himself for his part in the parlous state
of the planet. ?We are now realising the consequences of the things which we
did: things that I did as a boy, things my parents did,? he begins. What can
he mean? Yes, burning fires.

?The carbon from the open fire that my parents burnt is still up in the
atmosphere and will remain there for 100 years. Absolutely innocently and
unwittingly over my lifetime and my parents? lifetimes, we have been
stacking up and thickening the carbon dioxide layer. We didn?t know but now
we do. No one could blame my parents for having a coal fire but they could
blame me.?

Attenborough agrees there is little, ?if anything?, we can do to reverse
this backlog of carbon dioxide for the next 100 years. So what does he think
of the assertions of Bjorn Lomborg, the Danish academic who says we should
resign ourselves to a temperature increase of 2C over the next century, by
which time a replacement will have been found for fossil fuel?

While acknowledging that a new energy source is ?a real possibility?,
Attenborough takes issue with Lomborg. ?If we don?t take stock now, and even
if we get to this paradisiacal situation of having consequence-free energy,
the carbon dioxide ?tanker? will still go sailing on for another 100 years.?

The new BBC season is distinctive for the way it shows a whole range of
climate indicators, from the examination of anaesthetised polar bears that
are declining in numbers to climate modelling, all told by the top
scientists in their field.

Cameramen record the plight of Pacific islanders on Tuvalu, driven from
their homes by the highest tides they have seen. The scene shifts from the
stricken trees of the Amazon to deserted villages in China, where sandstorms
and drought have affected thousands of lives.There are disturbing images of
rapidly retreating glaciers in Patagonia and the devastating effects of
coral bleaching in the warming seas around the Great Barrier Reef.

The carbon ?footprint? of an average American family is shown as black
blocks floating over their heads and expanding with the decisions they take.
Attenborough explains how seemingly ?trivial? measures such as only filling
the kettle with the amount needed, wearing a pullover when it?s cold and
turning down the thermostat by one degree can produce immense savings.

For the presenter such prudence is no cause of self-congratulation: it has
acquired a moral dimension. ?The moral attitude of the Old Testament, which
was that the world was there for us to plunder and we could take what we
liked from it, has governed our thinking until now.
?What we need to recognise is that the world is not there for plundering. It
is a moral issue for us not to waste energy. I?m old enough to remember the
war, when it wasn?t that we thought it would make a difference if we left
food on the plate, it was wrong to waste food. And it?s wrong to waste
energy.?



He can envisage a new reconciliation with nature and even new ways of living
that are not based on relentless growth. ?I get very worried when economists
tell me that national economies are in terrible trouble unless they grow. It
sounds dreadful to me.?

This seems like a new, radicalised Attenborough, though in fairness he first
sounded a prescient warning about man?s folly 27 years ago. In the 1979
series Life on Earth, which relaunched his documentary career after a spell
as controller of BBC2, he said: ?The fact remains that man has an
unprecedented control over the world and everything in it, and so whether he
likes it or not, what happens next is very largely up to him.?

In fact his concern dates to the 1950s, when as ?a very junior squirt? he
was involved in discussions with Sir Peter Scott about the formation of the
World Wildlife Fund, as it was then called.

The focus, he recalls, was on individual species at risk, with campaigns to
save the giant panda and Javan rhinoceros. Later the disappearance of these
iconic creatures was seen to be only a symptom of the fact that whole
ecosystems were endangered.

In recent years he must have realised that global warming was affecting his
old haunts when he revisited them, I suggest. Not so, says Attenborough. ?If
my job is to make films about the tropical rainforest, I go to where it is
and not where it isn?t. Whereas I would have gone back to certain parts of
Borneo in the 1950s, I don?t go there now because simple research shows I
won?t find what I want.?

This brings on another twinge of mea culpa. His work has taken him to some
very pleasant venues, he observes in guilty tones. ?That?s what I do. I go
to all the nice places.? Almost as a disclaimer, he adds: ?I vigorously
defend the right to do that when making programmes about the glory of life.?

After all, he points out, if you wanted to show the glory of the human body
you wouldn?t show people with serious diseases. But? ?But that?s only part
of the picture and it?s about time that the natural history unit showed a
bit of the other side. Which is what this series is doing.?

Okay, we can all do our bit, but what about the Chinese? Although they now
consume only a tenth of the energy used by Americans, their future needs
will be prodigious. Fatalists use this as a pretext for doing nothing. I ask
Attenborough whether he agrees with Joe Smith, the documentary?s scientific
adviser from the Open University, that the Chinese are so worried by
desertification they are likely to embrace environmental solutions.

?Well, whoopee,? he replies. He doesn?t sound convinced, but insists he bows
to Smith?s expertise.

Attenborough will probably be called alarmist for embracing the
climatologists? creed and spelling out the new realities so bluntly. He is
certainly sensitive to criticism that his programmes have depicted nature as
red in tooth and claw. ?It?s an accusation I am well accustomed to
 fielding,? he says grimly. ?The allegation would be much more serious if it
was suggested that we were portraying the world as a garden of Eden in which
the lion lay down with the lamb.?

He maintains that the time devoted to animals? hunting and killing
represents only a small proportion of that given to filming ?more innocuous
occupations?. The problem is that as urban dwellers become removed from the
real world, ?we don?t see our own deaths, let alone animals? deaths?.

Doesn?t he find the relentless imperatives of the wild depressing? ?Well, I
don?t think it is. I eat steak and I have accommodated the thought that I am
part of a system that includes omnivores. I am to some degree a carnivore.?

Perhaps with his own mortality in mind, he reflects that a wild animal?s
death is preferable to the human variety. ?In as much as everything dies, to
die violently and swiftly could be seen as a better prospect to look forward
to than a long drawn-out and painful death. We lose sight of that.?

The idea that he misrepresents nature continues to rankle. People go to the
butcher?s shop, he complains, and buy livers, muscles and kidneys. ?They
take them away and eat them, and then complain that you have a shot of a
lion killing a wildebeest. I mean, there?s something odd going on there.?

So can we transcend our hypocrisy and steel ourselves to defeat global
warming? He confesses he doesn?t know, but scents change in the air. ?If you
look back at the 1950s the idea that there would be a minister for the
environment would be ludicrous. And even 20 years ago people wouldn?t have
bothered to recycle anything. Now no government can get elected without a
?prominent green plank?, he observes. It?s something, even if not much, but
?Rome wasn?t built in a day?.

He has just returned from the Galapagos Islands where he was filming a
series on reptiles and amphibians that will allow him to say that his life?s
work is done. ?I?d like, before I hang up my shorts ? or my boots ? to do
the one group I haven?t looked at. Then I?ll be able to look at a line of
DVDs on the shelf and say, that?s the complete set.?

For more details of the BBC series visit www.bbc.co.uk/climatechaos

Edelweiss D'Andrea
edandrea at magma.ca
613-247-9575



From v at vaalea.com  Tue Sep 26 23:00:24 2006
From: v at vaalea.com (vaalea)
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 19:00:24 -0400
Subject: [VegChat] Stuff tonight - LATE NOTICE + Natural Food Pantry
Message-ID: <005301c6e1bf$93f2bdc0$6500a8c0@v>

Someone JUST posted this elsewhere... not my fault. ;0)

I know this is late notice (I just heard of this today) but Elizabeth May is going to be speaking tonight. The topic of her lecture will be "Reinvigorating democracy in Canada - How solving the democracy crisis is essential to solving the climate crisis".

Elizabeth May is the current leader of the Green Party of Canada and the former executive director of the Sierra Club of Canada.

When: Tuesday September 26th, 8:30-10:00 PM

Where: Marion Auditorium, 140 Louis Pasteur, University of Ottawa


And tonight that series continues on TVO - please see other email.

Today I was at the Natural Food Pantry on York for the first time in quite a while..... they have changed everything around!! like they have bulk bins where the food falls down a chute into your bag instead of the usual scoop in a bin. (kind of like the coffee beans at the grocery stores).
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From v at vaalea.com  Wed Sep 27 11:53:13 2006
From: v at vaalea.com (vaalea)
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 07:53:13 -0400
Subject: [VegChat] Do you work at Costco? - and Lazer Quest meetup
Message-ID: <012f01c6e22b$83cdc6d0$6500a8c0@v>

Someone I met at a meetup worked at Costco (you thought they carried Boca chikn nuggets)- but it was so long ago I've forgotten your name - sorry... can you email me? I have questions.

Don't forget the laser quest meetup is this weekend! Trying something a little different this time than hanging out at a restaurant. RSVP at http://vegetarian.meetup.com/6/events/ There are also Kinki and Caribbean Flavours meetups and I'm PROBABLY going to keep the dates currently posted.
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From kevoshea at gmail.com  Tue Sep 26 01:21:49 2006
From: kevoshea at gmail.com (Kevin O'Shea)
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 21:21:49 -0400
Subject: [VegChat] Soup!
In-Reply-To: <017d01c6df42$f8155120$6500a8c0@v>
Message-ID: <2006925212149.375185@tower>


I also like the PC Spicy Black Bean soup - it's quite delicious. I did pick up some Primo Lentil in the last month, but 
I can't remember which big brand grocery chain it was at - probably a Loeb or Loblaws.

Kevin


On Sat, 23 Sep 2006 15:03:34 -0400, vaalea wrote:
> I have not noticed Primo Lentil Soup.... I always find the soup
> section annoying because EVERYTHING has something animal in it...
> or so it seems sometimes. I really liked Baxter's Carrot and
> Butterbean soup which I've seen around but was buying at Loeb in
> the Glebe... lately I've only seen some Baxter's Beef vegetable or
> something.. but no carrot butterbean. =0(
>
> My favorite soup of all time is my curried cheese cauliflower soup.
> =0)
> layer of yukon gold potatoes in the bottom of the pan, boiled with
> bouillon of McCormick all-vegetable chicken. fill the pan up with
> cauliflower, (maybe 2/3 to 3/4 cauliflower to the potatoes?) When
> cooked, mash it all up with a little water remaining in the pan,
> add melted block of vegan gourmet mozz (or less), add soymilk to
> desired consistency (almost a whole tetrapak), add curry.. lots of
> curry... but not too much - whatever tastes good to you.
>
> Same thing with broccoli... I've never tried it with curry cheese
> soup, but maybe it would work since curried cheese sauce does taste
> awesome on broccoli. Anyway layer of yukon gold potatoes in the
> bottom of the pan, boiled with bouillon of McCormick all-vegetable
> chicken. fill the pan up with broccoli, (maybe 2/3 to 3/4 broccoli
> to the potatoes?) When cooked, mash it all up with a little water
> remaining in the pan, add soymilk to desired consistency (almost a
> whole tetrapak), add salt to taste.
>
> I need to experiment more with soups this winter I think.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: K
>> To: For all discussion not animal related (health, environment,
>> etc). Called &quot, chat&quot, because this is for all kinds of
>> frequent interaction.
>> Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 2:21 PM
>> Subject: Re: [VegChat] Beware of Soy Garden.... and marshmallow
>> creme
>>
>>
>> Thanks for that info.   I buy that brand too.
>>
>> Have you seen Primo Lentil Soup anywhere?   It looks as though
>> they stopped making it...:-(  Campbell's has a "Healthy Request"
>> soup loaded with beans but it has both beef and chicken stock in
>> it, so not an option.  
>>
>> Here's a cool site loaded with veg recipes - even a lime hummus!
>>
>> http://vegweb.com/
>>
>> Katherine





From v at vaalea.com  Wed Sep 27 22:00:44 2006
From: v at vaalea.com (vaalea)
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 18:00:44 -0400
Subject: [VegChat] test
Message-ID: <004101c6e280$622aa110$6500a8c0@v>

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From pekieca at yahoo.com  Thu Sep 28 15:28:59 2006
From: pekieca at yahoo.com (K)
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 11:28:59 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [VegChat] Soup!
In-Reply-To: <2006925212149.375185@tower>
Message-ID: <20060928152859.60567.qmail@web52709.mail.yahoo.com>

Hello
   
  Thanks for the suggestion.  I just picked up some of that spicy black bean myself and see that PC also has a lentil version as well.    They had two cans of Primo Lentil at the back of the shelf which I grabbed (Vaalea - they are vegan).    Be nice if Loeb carried these, as much easier to access than Loblaws.
   
  The Campbell's Gardennay (sp?) series are good.  Not all are vegan, but definitely veg.    Added some romano beans to the butternut squash one recently and was great.   Very hearty, tasty, and filling.
   
  Baxter's good too but kind of pricey.  The Primo one was good because you can bring to the office for lunch.  
   
  Thanks for all of your suggestions.
   
  Cheers, K
   
  

Kevin O'Shea <kevoshea at gmail.com> wrote:
  
I also like the PC Spicy Black Bean soup - it's quite delicious. I did pick up some Primo Lentil in the last month, but
I can't remember which big brand grocery chain it was at - probably a Loeb or Loblaws.

Kevin


On Sat, 23 Sep 2006 15:03:34 -0400, vaalea wrote:
> I have not noticed Primo Lentil Soup.... I always find the soup
> section annoying because EVERYTHING has something animal in it...
> or so it seems sometimes. I really liked Baxter's Carrot and
> Butterbean soup which I've seen around but was buying at Loeb in
> the Glebe... lately I've only seen some Baxter's Beef vegetable or
> something.. but no carrot butterbean. =0(
>
> My favorite soup of all time is my curried cheese cauliflower soup.
> =0)
> layer of yukon gold potatoes in the bottom of the pan, boiled with
> bouillon of McCormick all-vegetable chicken. fill the pan up with
> cauliflower, (maybe 2/3 to 3/4 cauliflower to the potatoes?) When
> cooked, mash it all up with a little water remaining in the pan,
> add melted block of vegan gourmet mozz (or less), add soymilk to
> desired consistency (almost a whole tetrapak), add curry.. lots of
> curry... but not too much - whatever tastes good to you.
>
> Same thing with broccoli... I've never tried it with curry cheese
> soup, but maybe it would work since curried cheese sauce does taste
> awesome on broccoli. Anyway layer of yukon gold potatoes in the
> bottom of the pan, boiled with bouillon of McCormick all-vegetable
> chicken. fill the pan up with broccoli, (maybe 2/3 to 3/4 broccoli
> to the potatoes?) When cooked, mash it all up with a little water
> remaining in the pan, add soymilk to desired consistency (almost a
> whole tetrapak), add salt to taste.
>
> I need to experiment more with soups this winter I think.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: K
>> To: For all discussion not animal related (health, environment,
>> etc). Called ", chat", because this is for all kinds of
>> frequent interaction.
>> Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 2:21 PM
>> Subject: Re: [VegChat] Beware of Soy Garden.... and marshmallow
>> creme
>>
>>
>> Thanks for that info. I buy that brand too.
>>
>> Have you seen Primo Lentil Soup anywhere? It looks as though
>> they stopped making it...:-( Campbell's has a "Healthy Request"
>> soup loaded with beans but it has both beef and chicken stock in
>> it, so not an option.
>>
>> Here's a cool site loaded with veg recipes - even a lime hummus!
>>
>> http://vegweb.com/
>>
>> Katherine





 		
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