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<P>I find your comments RE public transit simplistic and quite frankly very disturbing, particularly from such a chat group. Reading your comments would, for one, suggest that it is better to take your small car than to take public transit. But public transit is there, and therefore when you take your car, you are regardless adding +5 litres of gas / 100km (or whatever) to the environment. This is not just gas in pollution comming out, but all the problems associated with getting that gas, including wars. Currently our desire for gas is so great, that we are clearcutting major areas in Alberta, causing toxic lakes from the refining of the crude oil (where there is a loud 'beep" every minute to try to scare birds from landing in them), as we continue to exploit the infamous Tar Sands which have been in the media recently. This does not even get into the
whole story of how the car was produced and the waste in that. My mom worked for Honda Canada and I got a summer job in the warehouse many years ago. THey had built a new building which was designed to have three compartments for recycling and one for trash. THey had offers from recycling companies who would PAY them to pick up the recyclables, and Honda could not be bothered to sort their trash. IN the warehouse you see that every single knob and screw and whatever is packaged in a plastic bag, and ten of those are in a bigger plastic bag, and ten of those are in a bigger plastic bag. The amount of packaging for the parts is unbelievable. The waste the goes into a car, which I am guilty to own, is disgusting. AFter all this, we have not even touched the maintenance of the car.</P>
<P>Unless of course you are implying that we should get rid of public transport? The traffic is growing, there was more smog in Ottawa recently than in Toronto, and not everyone can afford a car anyway. Have you taken a bus during rush hour? THey are packed. Sometimes people are even left behind because the bus is too packed to pick them up. ARe you suggesting these people all take their cars and add to the traffic and pollution and gas consumption?<BR> </P>
<P>In conclusion, I find your comments shooting down public transit to be quite disturbing and short-sighted.</P><BR><BR><BR>
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<DIV>Barbara Muller </DIV>
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From: <I>David Wardell <em664@freenet.carleton.ca></I><BR>Reply-To: <I>"For all discussion not animal related (health, environment,etc). Called &quot; chat&quot;because this is for all kinds of frequent interaction."<vegchat@ottawaveg.com></I><BR>To: <I>"For all discussion not animal related (health, environment, etc).Called &quot; chat&quot; becausethis is for all kinds of frequent interaction." <vegchat@ottawaveg.com></I><BR>Subject: <I>[VegChat] Public Transit?</I><BR>Date: <I>Sun, 18 Jun 2006 22:48:06 -0400</I><BR>>Consider,<BR>><BR>>An O.C. transpo Bus uses approximately 150 liters of diesel fuel per <BR>>hundred kilometers travelled. The average number of passengers <BR>>carried throughout the day on a O.C. transpo bus is 15.<BR>><BR>>This gives an average fuel consumption for the bus fleet of 10 <BR>>liters of deisel per
hundred kilometers for every passenger.<BR>><BR>>Compare this to a the new small car such as the Toyota Echo or Honda <BR>>Civic which use about 5 liters per hundred kilometers.<BR>><BR>>This is half the fuel per passenger a bus uses. Also, if you have a <BR>>passenger on board, then the fuel use per passenger is only one <BR>>quarter used by the bus.<BR>><BR>>More than this even, is that the new passenger cars have emissions <BR>>control and pollute very little, while the bus has no pollution <BR>>controls what so ever and causes air pollution equal too several <BR>>hundred Honda's.<BR>><BR>>Dave W.<BR></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></div><br clear=all><hr>Find out more about Canada’s Real Estate Outlook in <a href="http://g.msn.com/8HMBENCA/2743??PS=47575" target="_top">Sympatico / MSN’s Spring Lending Features </a> </html>