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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Plus if more and more people dumped their cars in favor of
transit, The average number of passengers carried throughout the day on a O.C.
transpo buses would most likely be more than 15? And the buses would run more
frequently which makes it more convenient for everyone.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>I think David's figures should be seen as a wake-up call
to fix our public transit problems rather than putting more Toyota Echo or
Honda Civics on the road. (and the light rails they are planning are
electric at least.)</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="Arial Narrow"><FONT face=Arial>I also think they should do
something about taxis.... both greener cars and finding a way to double up on
passengers if possible and desired->more affordable.</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=arcticbeluga@hotmail.com
href="mailto:arcticbeluga@hotmail.com">Arctic Beluga</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=vegchat@ottawaveg.com
href="mailto:vegchat@ottawaveg.com">vegchat@ottawaveg.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, June 21, 2006 8:28
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: [VegChat] Public
Transit?</DIV>
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<P>I find your comments RE public transit simplistic and quite frankly very
disturbing, particularly from such a chat group. Reading your comments
would, for one, suggest that it is better to take your small car than to take
public transit. But public transit is there, and therefore when you
take your car, you are regardless adding +5 litres of gas / 100km (or
whatever) to the environment. This is not just gas in pollution comming
out, but all the problems associated with getting that gas, including
wars. Currently our desire for gas is so great, that we are clearcutting
major areas in Alberta, causing toxic lakes from the refining of the crude oil
(where there is a loud 'beep" every minute to try to scare birds from landing
in them), as we continue to exploit the infamous Tar Sands which have been in
the media recently. This does not even get into the whole story of how
the car was produced and the waste in that. My mom worked for Honda
Canada and I got a summer job in the warehouse many years ago. THey had
built a new building which was designed to have three compartments for
recycling and one for trash. THey had offers from recycling companies
who would PAY them to pick up the recyclables, and Honda could not be bothered
to sort their trash. IN the warehouse you see that every single knob and
screw and whatever is packaged in a plastic bag, and ten of those are in a
bigger plastic bag, and ten of those are in a bigger plastic bag. The
amount of packaging for the parts is unbelievable. The waste the goes into a
car, which I am guilty to own, is disgusting. AFter all this, we have
not even touched the maintenance of the car.</P>
<P>Unless of course you are implying that we should get rid of public
transport? The traffic is growing, there was more smog in
Ottawa recently than in Toronto, and not everyone can afford a car
anyway. Have you taken a bus during rush hour? THey are
packed. Sometimes people are even left behind because the bus is
too packed to pick them up. ARe you suggesting these people all take
their cars and add to the traffic and pollution and
gas consumption?<BR> </P>
<P>In conclusion, I find your comments shooting down public transit to be
quite disturbing and short-sighted.</P><BR><BR><BR>
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<DIV>Barbara Muller </DIV>
<P><A href="mailto:arcticbeluga@hotmail.com">arcticbeluga@hotmail.com</A> </P>
<P>School in Nepal: </P>
<P><A
href="http://coe.unk.edu/nepal/village/Location.html">http://coe.unk.edu/nepal/village/Location.html</A></P>
<P>Himanchal High School</P>
<P>Nangi-2 Ramche VDC</P>
<P>Myagdi district, Nepal</P>
<P>School in the arctic (Kangiqsualujjuaq):</P>
<P><A
href="http://www.kativik.qc.ca/ulluriaq/">www.kativik.qc.ca/ulluriaq/</A></P>
<P> </P>
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<DIV></DIV>"Teaching a child to not step on a caterpillar is as valuable for
the child as it is for the caterpillar."
<DIV></DIV>--unknown</DIV>
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From: <I>David Wardell <em664@freenet.carleton.ca></I><BR>Reply-To:
<I>"For all discussion not animal related (health, environment,etc). Called
&quot; chat&quot;because this is for all kinds of frequent
interaction."<vegchat@ottawaveg.com></I><BR>To: <I>"For all discussion
not animal related (health, environment, etc).Called &quot;
chat&quot; becausethis is for all kinds of frequent interaction."
<vegchat@ottawaveg.com></I><BR>Subject: <I>[VegChat] Public
Transit?</I><BR>Date: <I>Sun, 18 Jun 2006 22:48:06
-0400</I><BR>>Consider,<BR>><BR>>An O.C. transpo Bus uses
approximately 150 liters of diesel fuel per <BR>>hundred kilometers
travelled. The average number of passengers <BR>>carried throughout the
day on a O.C. transpo bus is 15.<BR>><BR>>This gives an average fuel
consumption for the bus fleet of 10 <BR>>liters of deisel per hundred
kilometers for every passenger.<BR>><BR>>Compare this to a the new
small car such as the Toyota Echo or Honda <BR>>Civic which use about 5
liters per hundred kilometers.<BR>><BR>>This is half the fuel per
passenger a bus uses. Also, if you have a <BR>>passenger on board, then
the fuel use per passenger is only one <BR>>quarter used by the
bus.<BR>><BR>>More than this even, is that the new passenger cars have
emissions <BR>>control and pollute very little, while the bus has no
pollution <BR>>controls what so ever and causes air pollution equal too
several <BR>>hundred Honda's.<BR>><BR>>Dave
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